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Ok to change oil and NOT filter? #5386192 03/26/20 12:31 PM
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Recently the weather's been getting warmer, so I know it's time for my annual change on the Lexus.
After reviewing the maintenance book, it seems as though I've only driven it a paltry 2,000kms/1250 miles in the last year (since March 2019).
For oil I'm running full syn Pennzoil platinum 5w30. No leaks/burning as it only has roughly 55k miles

Since the car does it's fair share of stop and go driving, I'm thinking I should at least refresh the additive package in the oil.
Should I change the filter too? The owners manual says you can get away with doing it every other change...

thoughts? opinions?


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386198 03/26/20 12:37 PM
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Go another year on both.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: ka9mnx] #5386201 03/26/20 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
Go another year on both.


My opinion as well.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386202 03/26/20 12:40 PM
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1250 x 3
Go another two years. 3750 miles is low on a basic filter these days.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386206 03/26/20 12:44 PM
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It will be fine to leave the filter on and change the oil if you think it is required based on your service.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386207 03/26/20 12:45 PM
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I had a similar question on our trusty Tundra.
About 4,000 in maybe 16 months.
I didn't want to dump 7 quarts of M1 High Mileage 5w30 and the M1 filter...
Ultimately I did a spill and fill with Valvoline HM 5w30 and left the filter for another year.

Necessary? Probably not; dunno. Did I sleep better? Heck yeah.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386216 03/26/20 12:57 PM
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OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: atikovi] #5386222 03/26/20 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

That's a bad Idea, oil filter gaskets typically get compressed after a year and they aren't meant to be re-used.

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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: atikovi] #5386223 03/26/20 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

I have done that and never had a leak.
But - about 15 years ago I did it and the old, used Fram EG gasket stayed on the filter housing base. Had a mess on my driveway after I installed the new oil filter and haven't bought Extra Guards since.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386225 03/26/20 01:09 PM
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Some low end filers may split or tear after soaking on oil for 2 years. At least 40 years ago in a Mobil 1 study they did.still true, I do not know.

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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: blufeb95] #5386227 03/26/20 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blufeb95
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OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

That's a bad Idea, oil filter gaskets typically get compressed after a year and they aren't meant to be re-used.


Nonsense. They are made of a rubber like material and you can always tighten it a little more. If it's gotten that hard, it needs to be replaced anyway.

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Originally Posted by blufeb95
Originally Posted by atikovi
OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.
That's a bad Idea, oil filter gaskets typically get compressed after a year and they aren't meant to be re-used.
So what? If it's slightly compressed, you'll compensate by screwing it slightly farther on. I removed and re-used spin-ons many times with no leaks. If concerned, check for leaks after a few drives and re-tighten if needed.

You can drain most of the old oil from the housing on a cartridge filter without even taking the filter out---not that it matters a whole lot.


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Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by blufeb95
Originally Posted by atikovi
OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

That's a bad Idea, oil filter gaskets typically get compressed after a year and they aren't meant to be re-used.


Nonsense. They are made of a rubber like material and you can always tighten it a little more. If it's gotten that hard, it needs to be replaced anyway.



Yeah but its just not worth it.. If I'm going through the mess of removing I'm not going to reinstall an old filter.. I'd let the oil/filter combo go another year. I have a truck that gets similar mileage put on it and I'm changing every 2 years.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386239 03/26/20 01:24 PM
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Yes, you can.
The real question is should you bother?

I don't know anything about that motor, but if it is not a GDI/TGDI motor and oil does not smell like gas, I would leave it alone for another year.

Or just change both, $20-30 is not that big a price for piece of mind.


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Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: nwjones18] #5386246 03/26/20 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
OK but at least remove and drain the filter if its a spin-on.

That's a bad Idea, oil filter gaskets typically get compressed after a year and they aren't meant to be re-used.


Nonsense. They are made of a rubber like material and you can always tighten it a little more. If it's gotten that hard, it needs to be replaced anyway.



Yeah but its just not worth it.. If I'm going through the mess of removing I'm not going to reinstall an old filter.. I'd let the oil/filter combo go another year. I have a truck that gets similar mileage put on it and I'm changing every 2 years.


It's also not worth changing the oil and then diluting it with the old oil in the filter when it's so easy to drain it. A good filter has plenty of life left after just 1200 miles so no need to replace it.

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