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14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad #5386174 03/26/20 12:11 PM
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~78k miles

Started a couple of months ago, getting worse

Symptoms: starter is whirring noise is louder and continues for a second after the engine is started before loudly winding down. According to the all-knowing etherwebs, the starter is going bad.

Confirmation: The dealer confirmed that the clutch is not disengaging when it should, resulting in the excessive noise. They recommend replacement.

Cost: $380 for a Subaru reman. with 12-month warranty. For that price and it being a Subaru reman, I'm going to let them do the job.
-----New OE starter is $359.09

Thoughts? I have the capability to replace a starter, but have never done it. I fear the hardest part will be getting the intercooler off. I had a heckuva time getting the intake ducting between the air box and turbo off while replacing the passenger-side spark plugs, it was so stuck together.


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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5386178 03/26/20 12:15 PM
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I'd let the dealer do it so if later you have any problems they can't say the installation was faulty.

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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5386189 03/26/20 12:29 PM
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Get the starter fixed.


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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5386205 03/26/20 12:44 PM
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A lot of VW starters do this, they need the shaft where the drive rides greasing with a high temp grease. After that they are no more trouble.
Not saying that is the case with the Subaru starter but its worth a look. Personally I would buy something like this from a 2018 and toss it in. For 45 bucks and free shipping you cant go wrong.

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Up for sale is the starter removed from a 2018 Subaru Forester it was removed in good working condition


Starter


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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5386221 03/26/20 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gathermewool
.....Symptoms: starter is whirring noise is louder and continues for a second after the engine is started before loudly winding down....


Check out: https://legacygt.com/forums/showthr...mble-grease-reinstall-w-pics-218329.html

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Cost: $380 for a Subaru reman. with 12-month warranty. For that price and it being a Subaru reman, I'm going to let them do the job.
-----New OE starter is $359.09


Why does the new starter cost less than the rebuilt starter?

Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: Trav] #5386231 03/26/20 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
Get the starter fixed.


That's the plan. I'll be deciding over the weekend whether to do it myself, is the issue.

My plan is to see if I can get the intercooler and starter off myself easily before doing the job. IF I can easily get it off I'll look for a replacement and do the job myself. IF it's not possible for this shade-tree mechanic I'll have the dealer install the reman. for the above price, which I think is reasonable.

Originally Posted by Trav
A lot of VW starters do this, they need the shaft where the drive rides greasing with a high temp grease. After that they are no more trouble.
Not saying that is the case with the Subaru starter but its worth a look. Personally I would buy something like this from a 2018 and toss it in. For 45 bucks and free shipping you cant go wrong.

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Up for sale is the starter removed from a 2018 Subaru Forester it was removed in good working condition


Starter


That's for the 2.5L. I searched for one for my XT and they're all around $150.

How easy is it to grease the portion you're talking about?

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With the current status of things we don't even need a second vehicle for the next few weeks, so this once can sit if I need time to figure things out.

I'm also not rich, but having the new starter come with a warranty sounds appealing. I can imagine that if the reman'd starter lasts a year it'll likely last another 50k+ miles, hopefully MUCH longer.


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Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 D1G2 + FU filter (2nd OFI) (77,760mi, 3/7/20)
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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: SubLGT] #5386236 03/26/20 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SubLGT
Originally Posted by gathermewool
.....Symptoms: starter is whirring noise is louder and continues for a second after the engine is started before loudly winding down....


Check out: https://legacygt.com/forums/showthr...mble-grease-reinstall-w-pics-218329.html

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Cost: $380 for a Subaru reman. with 12-month warranty. For that price and it being a Subaru reman, I'm going to let them do the job.
-----New OE starter is $359.09


Why does the new starter cost less than the rebuilt starter?



I saw that install, but totally missed the attached .pdf!!! I kept going through Photobucket and back, because the pics are all messed up in-thread with PB. Thanks!

Sorry about the price confusion - the reman'd price includes installation by the dealer.


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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5386276 03/26/20 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gathermewool
Originally Posted by CT8
Get the starter fixed.


That's the plan. I'll be deciding over the weekend whether to do it myself, is the issue.

My plan is to see if I can get the intercooler and starter off myself easily before doing the job. IF I can easily get it off I'll look for a replacement and do the job myself. IF it's not possible for this shade-tree mechanic I'll have the dealer install the reman. for the above price, which I think is reasonable.

Originally Posted by Trav
A lot of VW starters do this, they need the shaft where the drive rides greasing with a high temp grease. After that they are no more trouble.
Not saying that is the case with the Subaru starter but its worth a look. Personally I would buy something like this from a 2018 and toss it in. For 45 bucks and free shipping you cant go wrong.

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Up for sale is the starter removed from a 2018 Subaru Forester it was removed in good working condition


Starter


That's for the 2.5L. I searched for one for my XT and they're all around $150.

How easy is it to grease the portion you're talking about?

/

With the current status of things we don't even need a second vehicle for the next few weeks, so this once can sit if I need time to figure things out.

I'm also not rich, but having the new starter come with a warranty sounds appealing. I can imagine that if the reman'd starter lasts a year it'll likely last another 50k+ miles, hopefully MUCH longer.


Yes it is easy enough, you do need to pull the armature and drive out though, its no big deal. I see the TYC starter (cheap junk) is the same for both engines. Check the art number for both it may fit.
The 2.5 appears to use a 1.4 kw unit and the 2.0 a 1.2 kw, if its same otherwise the 1.4 kw is a stronger unit.

Even at $150 for a real clean one its a lot better than over 3 bills. No way in Hades would I pay that for such an easy job and a reman at that.


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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: Trav] #5386360 03/26/20 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Originally Posted by CT8
Get the starter fixed.


That's the plan. I'll be deciding over the weekend whether to do it myself, is the issue.

My plan is to see if I can get the intercooler and starter off myself easily before doing the job. IF I can easily get it off I'll look for a replacement and do the job myself. IF it's not possible for this shade-tree mechanic I'll have the dealer install the reman. for the above price, which I think is reasonable.

Originally Posted by Trav
A lot of VW starters do this, they need the shaft where the drive rides greasing with a high temp grease. After that they are no more trouble.
Not saying that is the case with the Subaru starter but its worth a look. Personally I would buy something like this from a 2018 and toss it in. For 45 bucks and free shipping you cant go wrong.

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Up for sale is the starter removed from a 2018 Subaru Forester it was removed in good working condition


Starter


That's for the 2.5L. I searched for one for my XT and they're all around $150.

How easy is it to grease the portion you're talking about?

/

With the current status of things we don't even need a second vehicle for the next few weeks, so this once can sit if I need time to figure things out.

I'm also not rich, but having the new starter come with a warranty sounds appealing. I can imagine that if the reman'd starter lasts a year it'll likely last another 50k+ miles, hopefully MUCH longer.


Yes it is easy enough, you do need to pull the armature and drive out though, its no big deal. I see the TYC starter (cheap junk) is the same for both engines. Check the art number for both it may fit.
The 2.5 appears to use a 1.4 kw unit and the 2.0 a 1.2 kw, if its same otherwise the 1.4 kw is a stronger unit.

Even at $150 for a real clean one its a lot better than over 3 bills. No way in Hades would I pay that for such an easy job and a reman at that.


I've decided that I'm going to remove it tomorrow and see what I can do. Thanks for the confidence booster, Trav.

I'll be cursing your name if the next picture I post is of the Foz on a flat-bed. Wait, how hard can it be to roll-start a modern auto?


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I cant remember the last auto trans that used a front and rear pump IIRC it was a Chrysler long before my time.
You could bump start those so I'm told, no rear pump no bump starting.


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I agree with relubing the starter, try unbolting from under the car if you can't get to it from up top.

Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5387372 03/27/20 08:41 PM
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Starter is out!!! I was VERY close to giving up on the bottom bolt, but lay there on my creeper for a bit to think and rest may arms, ended up trying one last time and SNAP! I actually shouted for joy! Lol

Now I need to do more research on how to lube this thing.

Someone on one of the Subaru forums made it seem as if the pinion gear would slide by hand. I applied gentle pressure with a flat-head and it wouldn’t budge.

Any additional help would be appreciated. Worst case: I buy a used starter for less than I would have paid for a reman from the dealer.

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Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5387384 03/27/20 08:54 PM
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I think I’ll put a dab of moly on each stud and on the mating surface/flange of the starter for easier removal next time...which hopefully won’t be for a while after I lube and “fix” the starter!

Inter-cooler: super easy to remove. Had it off in just a couple of minutes. This gives you access to the connections to the starter and the top bolt. It also gives you access to the PCV valve.

PCV Valve: has something that resembles pipe door around the top threads. Never saw that before. I’ll have to research whether some sort of thread sealant is needed.

Also, the PCV valve seemed pretty gunked up. I’ve got it soaking in carb cleaner now. I’ll check it tomorrow for proper operation , but will likely just go with a new one.


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I wonder if it rotates up and down like this. I'd gently try twisting the gear to see if that'll make it go up.
https://youtu.be/RhdSq4WOaDM?t=501

Re: 14 Forester XT Starter Going Bad [Re: gathermewool] #5387420 03/27/20 09:28 PM
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It spins in one direction only, but did not extend. It will not rotate in the opposite direction, though I didn’t try to force it.


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