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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385717 03/25/20 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nickaluch
Moody's just downgraded Ford's credit rating to junk status.
In September 2019.


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: Boomer] #5385720 03/25/20 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Just another symptom of the disease affecting Big Business in the US. A CEO is a CEO and can run anything. Heck, the guy who was president of the company where I worked for decades ran the place into the ground. When he left, he was suddenly on the board of Pfizer!! They would have done better hiring a business major right out of college. This "culture at the top" is a real disease in American business. It affects jobs, creativity, business prosperity and survival. Yet these guys serve on each other's boards, reinforcing their bad decisions by sending them rippling through other companies. It is kind of like a business "Corona virus" in my opinion.


Brilliant and insightful post, spot on my friend it is systemic rot from above small circles of elites greasing each others palms back and forth. Calling it a "virus" is very astute.

Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385734 03/25/20 07:38 PM
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Ford, 3M and GE have just teamed up to make ventilators for coronavirus treatment. Maybe Ford has a future in other than car making....


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385763 03/25/20 08:25 PM
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Bring back Alan Mulally.


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: pbm] #5385771 03/25/20 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pbm
Ford, 3M and GE have just teamed up to make ventilators for coronavirus treatment. Maybe Ford has a future in other than car making....


Interesting thought. During the war years many companies switched from their primary product and produced critical products instead. If that makes them viable and they can
make money more the better.

Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385781 03/25/20 08:42 PM
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Last Ford I bought was a new full-size van in 1974. Absolute junk and sold it within two years.


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: double vanos] #5385787 03/25/20 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by double vanos
Bring back Alan Mulally.


I was a big fan of Mulally....'was' being the key word....he got Ford on the right track....didn't take a 'bailout'....but he did take a big 'golden parachute' (I think I read 18 million dollars).....Now I'm thinking that he got out when the getting was good rather than complete the 'mission'. As I've stated in the past....It's hard for the domestics to compete because of legacy costs....which obviously take cash that should be going into product development....


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: pbm] #5385788 03/25/20 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pbm
Ford, 3M and GE have just teamed up to make ventilators for coronavirus treatment. Maybe Ford has a future in other than car making....



They had a hand in making radios, televisions, refrigerators and some other appliances under the Philco name. That was long ago.


Meanwhile, Toyota is building whole cities.

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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: pbm] #5385792 03/25/20 08:48 PM
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Ford, 3M and GE have just teamed up to make ventilators for coronavirus treatment. Maybe Ford has a future in other than car making....


Toilet paper! They built some crap before so should be easy. They cant survive on Truck/SUV. I wish they would make the Ford Cosworth again. I think of the Big 3,Ford is my favorite but they need to get a Ford v Ferrari mentality on EVERYTHING they build to win.


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385796 03/25/20 08:55 PM
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I hope VW doesn't stoop so low as to acquire or partner with Ford. Maybe the Chinese will buy them just to for their name. Like RCA and General Electric appliances etc..


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385842 03/25/20 10:24 PM
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Great. Just what we need, more activists.


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Re: Ford in big trouble? [Re: nickaluch] #5385851 03/25/20 10:37 PM
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My 2018 F150 is a POS. Looking to get rid of it in a year when the warranty is up. Will look at Tundra and RAM.

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Originally Posted by F_150_18
i really dont understand why the common consensus is ford isnt doing well. if you actually look at the reports the actual equity of the company has steadily been climbing. They vehicles in general are selling very well. They had that charge last year for benefits but the company still made a lot of money. The company when you look at it objectively is extremely healthy. I can only assume that the stock is more weighted to potential future earnings? Look at telsa they havent made a dime yet but their the stock price was soaring before the current events


You answered your own question: Yes on Ford for future earnings. Yes on Tesla for future earnings. Not a Tesla fanboy at all, but they did turn profitable recently, at least for a few quarters. I have been saying Tesla peaked every quarter for the last 5 years, and I keep coming up wrong. But the fall in oil prices does not seem like it would help them.

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Build better vehicles (as in higher quality) and the problems will disappear.


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Ford cars over here always have very well resolved ride and compliant chassis with direct steering and overall 'good dynamics', its the fit and finish that mark them out as mid range which is a shame for cars that always feel like they were well designed and well built but then interfered with by the accountants.
Merc are the opposite, theyre a very nice place to sit but very boring to drive.

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