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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: wolf_06] #5384754 03/24/20 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wolf_06
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Sticking with 0w20:

Readily available:
1. Mobil 1 EP/AP 0w20 - majority PAO/AN - SA .8 - Noack 10%
2. Valvoline Modern Engine - Unknown base oil/SA- Noack 10% (likely low SA based on VOA)
3. Vavoline Full Syn - Unknown base oil - SA .97 - Noack 7.6%


Boutique:
Driven DI 0w20 - mPAO - SA .72 - Noack 11%


Valvoline 0w20 noak is 11%, the 5w20 is 7.6

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...bd3/3aa410a1-0bbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1


Thank you for the correction. thumbsup

Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384799 03/24/20 05:28 PM
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My top 3 gdi oil is to never buy a gdi again crzy
Hope I can find mpfi in the future.
My wife liked our gdi. Other than that, all our other cars are mpfi.

As far as your choices , I like M1 EP. I use it along with PP in our gdi.
Summer M1 EP 10W30 & winter PP 5W30.
Some Chevron Supreme dino 5/10W30 here and there.
Recently bought some Castrol GTX Magnatec 10W30 for one older car but I may try it in our gdi once and see how it does.

Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384814 03/24/20 05:41 PM
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Gokhan:
What are your thoughts on the Mobil1 AP 5w20 in my GDI Focus 2.0?....I scored a bunch of it at last years AZ 'Clearance'.
I know form your post last year that it's a majority GIII unlike it's 0w20 brethren. I believe the GDI is harder on oil than the PI 2.5 version in my Escape based on how quickly the GDI turns the oil dark (soot, I think). Would I be better off doing shorter 5K OCIs on synblends, or even 7K on Supertech syn., than 10K on more expensive syns in this GDI engine? Thanks

This is the tread from last year that I mentioned:

M1 AFE 0W-16: PAO-based

M1 AFE 0W-20: 1/2 PAO-based and some GTL
M1 EP 0W-20: PAO-based
M1 EP HM 0W-20: only a dash of PAO (less than 10%)
M1 HM 0W-20: 1/4 PAO- and 1/4 GTL-based
M1 TP 0W-20: 2/3 PAO and 1/3 Group III
M1 AP 0W-20: PAO-based

M1 5W-20: 2/3 GTL
M1 EP 5W-20: 1/3 PAO, a dash of GTL
M1 EP HM 5W-20: only a dash of PAO (less than 10%)
M1 HM 5W-20: 1/4 GTL, a dash of PAO
M1 TP 5W-20: 1/4 PAO
M1 AP 5W-20: 1/4 PAO


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384828 03/24/20 06:04 PM
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notice the thinner oils have good but not great noacks as even higher quality thin real synthetic base oils burn off faster, so i use either 5 or 10 w 30 "synthetics" + i do NOT own anything with DI on purpose!!

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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: benjy] #5384835 03/24/20 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by benjy
notice the thinner oils have good but not great noacks as even higher quality thin real synthetic base oils burn off faster, so i use either 5 or 10 w 30 "synthetics" + i do NOT own anything with DI on purpose!!


Maybe I'm wrong but I thought 5w20 syns. had better NOACK #'s than 5w30's?....now 10w30 syns. are another (better) story NOACK wise...


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384837 03/24/20 06:15 PM
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M1 5W-30 worked great in my 2007 MS3- for over 158k miles.BMW TPT 0W-30 seems to be the hot ticket for my N20 and N55 motors.
As always, YMMV...


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: Gokhan] #5384868 03/24/20 06:57 PM
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Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?
According to the PDS of the oil, it's a low-SAPS oil



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No, the terms low-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.5%) and mid-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.8%) are often used incorrectly in the industry. C3 is a mid-SAPS category, and the SA for C3 is between 0.6% and 0,8%. Otherwise, it would have to be C4 (low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%) or both C3 and C4 at the same time. However, according to the PDS, it isn't. Therefore, it's mid-SAPS, with 0.6% ≤ SA ≤ 0.8%.


Thanks for this. What is C2 then?


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384980 03/24/20 09:15 PM
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I use what ever sn+ or better yet Dexos oil is on sale.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5385000 03/24/20 09:44 PM
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We are using Schaeffer 5w20 in the Ford Escape 1.6

It's always in stock at our Napa store.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: TheIceStormof06] #5385007 03/24/20 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
Originally Posted by Gokhan
No, the terms low-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.5%) and mid-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.8%) are often used incorrectly in the industry. C3 is a mid-SAPS category, and the SA for C3 is between 0.6% and 0,8%. Otherwise, it would have to be C4 (low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%) or both C3 and C4 at the same time. However, according to the PDS, it isn't. Therefore, it's mid-SAPS, with 0.6% ≤ SA ≤ 0.8%.
Thanks for this. What is C2 then?

A1/B1: removed in 2016
A3/B3: to be removed in 2020
A5/B5: to be removed in 2020

A3/B4: full-SAPS, 1.0% ≤ SA ≤ 1.6%, HTHS ≥ 3.5 cP
A7/B7: to be introduced in 2020, full-SAPS, SA ≤ 1.6%, 3.5 cP ≥ HTHS ≥ 2.9 cP, LSPI, chain-wear, and turbocharger-deposits tests

C1: to be removed in 2020 because only one OEM specs it, low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%, HTHS ≥ 2.9 cP
C2: mid-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.8%, HTHS ≥ 2.9 cP
C3: mid-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.8%, HTHS ≥ 3.5 cP
C4: low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%, HTHS ≥ 3.5 cP
C5: mid-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.8%, 2.8 cP ≥ HTHS ≥ 2.6 cP
C6: upgrades C5 in 2020, mid-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.8%, 2.8 cP ≥ HTHS ≥ 2.6 cP, LSPI, chain-wear, and turbocharger-deposits tests

An oil can be certified for both C2 and C3 at the same time if it satisfies the stricter fuel-economy limits of C2 and has HTHS ≥ 3.5 cP.

Also note that ILSAC oils such as Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum that claim to be full-SAPS A5/B5 (or A7/B7) are often mid-SAPS, not full-SAPS, but since there is no lower SAPS limit in this spec, they can be certified for A5/B5 (or A7/B7).


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: RazorsEdge] #5385010 03/24/20 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge
We are using Schaeffer 5w20 in the Ford Escape 1.6

It's always in stock at our Napa store.

Iron Asylum I'm guessing is in Pennsylvania?


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: pbm] #5385013 03/24/20 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pbm
Gokhan:
What are your thoughts on the Mobil1 AP 5w20 in my GDI Focus 2.0?....I scored a bunch of it at last years AZ 'Clearance'.
I know form your post last year that it's a majority GIII unlike it's 0w20 brethren. I believe the GDI is harder on oil than the PI 2.5 version in my Escape based on how quickly the GDI turns the oil dark (soot, I think). Would I be better off doing shorter 5K OCIs on synblends, or even 7K on Supertech syn., than 10K on more expensive syns in this GDI engine? Thanks

This is the tread from last year that I mentioned:

M1 AFE 0W-16: PAO-based

M1 AFE 0W-20: 1/2 PAO-based and some GTL
M1 EP 0W-20: PAO-based
M1 EP HM 0W-20: only a dash of PAO (less than 10%)
M1 HM 0W-20: 1/4 PAO- and 1/4 GTL-based
M1 TP 0W-20: 2/3 PAO and 1/3 Group III
M1 AP 0W-20: PAO-based

M1 5W-20: 2/3 GTL
M1 EP 5W-20: 1/3 PAO, a dash of GTL
M1 EP HM 5W-20: only a dash of PAO (less than 10%)
M1 HM 5W-20: 1/4 GTL, a dash of PAO
M1 TP 5W-20: 1/4 PAO
M1 AP 5W-20: 1/4 PAO

M1 AP 5W-20 (or any other M1 AP) is certainly a good oil. It has extra antioxidant content for a longer OCI, which is also good to combat the IVD by reducing the oil oxidation. It still has quite a bit PAO.

I wouldn't run a conventional or a synthetic blend oil in a GDI engine because of the IVD issue. Even though it's a Ford, run a GM dexos1 Gen 2/Gen 3 oil. Conventional oil will oxidize and build carbon deposits faster on the intake valves than synthetic oil.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5385016 03/24/20 10:39 PM
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We are using Schaeffer 5w20 in the Ford Escape 1.6

It's always in stock at our Napa store.

Iron Asylum I'm guessing is in Pennsylvania?


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5385026 03/24/20 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by buster
Sticking with 0w20:

Readily available:
1. Mobil 1 EP/AP 0w20 - majority PAO/AN - SA .8 - Noack 10%
2. Valvoline Modern Engine - Unknown base oil/SA- Noack 10% (likely low SA based on VOA)
3. Vavoline Full Syn - Unknown base oil - SA .97 - Noack 7.6%


Boutique:
Driven DI 0w20 - mPAO - SA .72 - Noack 11%

If you are going to talk about top oils, you have to venture into European approved oils. ILSAC GF-5 oils or API SN are not in the same category.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5385048 03/25/20 02:50 AM
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I think I would be looking for an oil with as little VII as possible and mid to low saps. Maybe even a HDEO with <1.0% SAPS like an E9.


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