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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5377158 03/15/20 05:10 PM
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Caprice 2nv, not oil patch but more of a garbage man that does a lot of off highway work. Work takes me to the oil patch, the rez and every where in between. We idle our vehicles quite a bit to. The 5.0 litres usually don't give us grief but when the phasers are out of whack you have to keep an eye on your truck as it will die and drain the battery.

I was quite happy with my 2011 ram 1500. With 10 ply tires, 3.92 gears and air bags, it towed like a champ. We ran her hard and traded it off with minimal issues at 150,000km.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5377165 03/15/20 05:16 PM
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Trying to find out what year they started putting the insulation in there, at least as early as 2009 from my search. These are just some of the posts I found quickly in case you don't want to take my word for it. I knew they were prone to rust but I didn't realize how bad the problem was until talking to my friend who runs the body shop, and a roommate I had a couple of years ago who got a new box under warranty on his 2014 when it was only 4 year's old.

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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: BrianF] #5377171 03/15/20 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianF
Caprice 2nv, not oil patch but more of a garbage man that does a lot of off highway work. Work takes me to the oil patch, the rez and every where in between. We idle our vehicles quite a bit to. The 5.0 litres usually don't give us grief but when the phasers are out of whack you have to keep an eye on your truck as it will die and drain the battery.

I was quite happy with my 2011 ram 1500. With 10 ply tires, 3.92 gears and air bags, it towed like a champ. We ran her hard and traded it off with minimal issues at 150,000km.


You guys don't use as much salt out there because of the cold weather right? I know we sometimes find old vehicles that were from the West and are in a whole lot better shape than what we're used to here.

I didn't realize the cam phasers were a problem on the 5.0 also. What kind of engine hours would your trucks rack up in 200k miles? My 05 1500 Silverado is at just under 200k and 8500 engine hours right now according to the dash.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5377244 03/15/20 06:53 PM
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We use a bit of potash on the roads but really nothing crazy in comparison to the east coast or possibly Ontario.... we run our fleet vehicles out to 170 or 180,000km before we mile them out. My 2015 F150 was done at 155 due to never ending 4x4 and cam phaser problems. I have to check the hours but I think I was north of 3000 idle hours.

Now I don't recall what I had for rust on my 2011 ram. Not much of any detected on the body. The 2008 and earlier dodge trucks had the boxes rust out and the 2007+ gm trucks all have major rust issues. The body panels on my 2017 3500 are so thin there isnt physical room for rust to even form, so I am doing pretty good so far.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5377260 03/15/20 07:14 PM
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Wow, we consider a 2015 a brand new vehicle. Our newest vehicle is a 2013 Silverado with 100k, the next newest is a 2010 Tacoma with 120k and then my 05 with 192k. The bosses 2016 will be put into the fleet whenever one of the other 2 trucks gets too rusty (no rust on either so far) or starts breaking down.

Since I started 8 years ago we've only lost one truck (due to rust), could have been fixed for less than $2000 (rockers and cab corners) but they figured it was "too old to put any money into".


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: caprice_2nv] #5377469 03/15/20 10:48 PM
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Count on replacing the box and fenders on any RAM in the rust belt. They will rust through eventually if you live in the rust belt (because of the insulation inside which cannot be removed). Usually they rust through just before warranty is up but sometimes just after.


Easily mitigated with Rust Check or Krown. All our work trucks are sprayed at Rust Check and the fenders on them are all mint. Most are 8 years old or older.


No, apparently it doesn't help at all in this case because the insulation gets wet inside and holds the moisture. My friend who's a body shop manager does several a week. Last month he did my best friends power wagon front fenders a week before the warranty is up and it was krowned every year, washed weekly and babied. Same with another guy I know has a 2014 Ram and it was krowned every year also. Now it has an aftermarket fender which will drive that guy crazy because he's OCD. They are the only vehicles I personally know of that will rust out even if you undercoat it yearly.


As I said, we have a fleet of them, none of them have any fender rust at all, they are all treated at Rust Check. The last truck we owned that had the fenders (and rockers) rot out was a Silverado 1500. None of the RAM's have done it, nor have the Ford's. Most of the current RAM's are 2011's, a few 2012's and then a couple newer 2014/2015's. The product will creep behind the insulation if properly applied.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: OVERKILL] #5377585 03/16/20 06:23 AM
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Count on replacing the box and fenders on any RAM in the rust belt. They will rust through eventually if you live in the rust belt (because of the insulation inside which cannot be removed). Usually they rust through just before warranty is up but sometimes just after.


Easily mitigated with Rust Check or Krown. All our work trucks are sprayed at Rust Check and the fenders on them are all mint. Most are 8 years old or older.


No, apparently it doesn't help at all in this case because the insulation gets wet inside and holds the moisture. My friend who's a body shop manager does several a week. Last month he did my best friends power wagon front fenders a week before the warranty is up and it was krowned every year, washed weekly and babied. Same with another guy I know has a 2014 Ram and it was krowned every year also. Now it has an aftermarket fender which will drive that guy crazy because he's OCD. They are the only vehicles I personally know of that will rust out even if you undercoat it yearly.


As I said, we have a fleet of them, none of them have any fender rust at all, they are all treated at Rust Check. The last truck we owned that had the fenders (and rockers) rot out was a Silverado 1500. None of the RAM's have done it, nor have the Ford's. Most of the current RAM's are 2011's, a few 2012's and then a couple newer 2014/2015's. The product will creep behind the insulation if properly applied.


Have you actually seen one on the inside? I'm just going by the body guy but he says it won't get in there. Combine that with the fact that our local krown doesn't do a good job (sometimes misses half the undercarriage) and it's a recipe for disaster. We recommend everyone go to rust check now as they are significantly better, but they aren't as popular and don't do radio advertising here.

Either way, I'd say you got lucky so far. I believe the 2014+ may be the worst ones from what I'm seeing so you may get to see what I mean soon enough. Or just talk to any body shop guys. I'm glad you got some good ones though. I very much doubt they make it to 15 years without at least a fender though.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5377591 03/16/20 06:44 AM
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The Tundra seems to be a favorite as well. How do these two specific trucks compare?

2010 Toyota Tundra SR5, 4x4, 5.7L V8, 90k miles, asking $18,000

2013 Ford F-150 XLT, 4x4, 5.0L V8, 84k miles, asking $19,500

Ford comes with more add ons like leveling kit, spray in bed liner, tinted windows, bed cover

I am focused on overall reliability and longevity.

I was told by several Tundra owners that the frames for the Tundra tend to rust out before the others. Something to consider in the rust belt. Been under a Dodge Ram and it seemed to me to be a lighter duty version of F150's and Siverados. Suspension and drive line is what caught my attention.

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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: Lubener] #5377603 03/16/20 06:56 AM
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The Tundra seems to be a favorite as well. How do these two specific trucks compare?

2010 Toyota Tundra SR5, 4x4, 5.7L V8, 90k miles, asking $18,000

2013 Ford F-150 XLT, 4x4, 5.0L V8, 84k miles, asking $19,500

Ford comes with more add ons like leveling kit, spray in bed liner, tinted windows, bed cover

I am focused on overall reliability and longevity.

I was told by several Tundra owners that the frames for the Tundra tend to rust out before the others. Something to consider in the rust belt. Been under a Dodge Ram and it seemed to me to be a lighter duty version of F150's and Siverados. Suspension and drive line is what caught my attention.


Tacoma's and tundra's used to be bad for frames, not if the newer ones are affected. Our 2010 Tacoma at work is affected but I'm undercoating all the trucks religiously so hopefully it will be fine. The frame does look slightly crustier than the 2005 which has only been sporadically undercoated up until this year.

I've seen Dodge's (2014 era) need a ball joint replaced as early as 29,000kms (18k miles). That vehicle was owned by someone who babies all his vehicles. His last truck was a 2002 f150 that was still in decent shape after well over 200k miles. It needed ball joints at around 100k miles if I remember right.

The techs in the shop I worked at say they are definitely built lighter (one guy even bought one anyway because the price was so low).


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Have you actually seen one on the inside? I'm just going by the body guy but he says it won't get in there. Combine that with the fact that our local krown doesn't do a good job (sometimes misses half the undercarriage) and it's a recipe for disaster. We recommend everyone go to rust check now as they are significantly better, but they aren't as popular and don't do radio advertising here.

Either way, I'd say you got lucky so far. I believe the 2014+ may be the worst ones from what I'm seeing so you may get to see what I mean soon enough. Or just talk to any body shop guys. I'm glad you got some good ones though. I very much doubt they make it to 15 years without at least a fender though.


I'll ask my body shop buddy about it and see what he says. He does all the work for my dealer, so he would see a LOT of them. He fixes all the police Chargers too. The Krown and Rust Check guys are supposed to be trained on targeting the problem areas, but whether they do or not? Your mention of your local Krown place's behaviour is exactly why I stopped using them. We had them do one of our 5-ton trucks and they missed like 50% of the undercarriage! crzy The local Rust Check guy drowns them by comparison, so he now gets all our business.


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My fiancée's son has a 2014 F150 with the 5.0 that he bought new and it has been very trouble free until recently when he had to have the cam phasers replaced but this truck had almost 200,000 miles on it. My fiancée has a 2017 F150 with the 5.0 and it's been trouble free so far but it only has about 17,000 miles on it.


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Re: F-150 trucks in the past 10 years [Re: lancerplayer] #5384431 03/24/20 10:00 AM
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F-150 owner here, get the Tundra 😟


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