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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5380091 03/19/20 07:31 AM
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Thank you all for the info and advice. I would say that I'm pretty accustom to how well Honda's age in terms of maintenance needed and parts cost. With that said, I am assuming I probably wouldn't like a Passat let alone a TDI.


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I've a 2015 Passat Tdi, 6 speed manual, I bought before dieselgate with only 2,800 miles. Currently have right at 70,000 miles. Made a few bucks from the dieselgate fix. Car runs just as well if not better than before. Same with mpg's. No issues, other that a battery replacement. It now has some kind of wicked extended warranty because of the settlement, but I doubt that I'll ever use it. Car is solid.

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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: supton] #5380216 03/19/20 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by supton
Does the DSG still use the problematic DMF?

I loved my TDI but at the end I was sweating bullets that I'd get rid of it before the PD injectors went--somehow the cam in mine went the miles, but I'm still not sure how.


No, completely different inside those transmissions. Cam issues are very common on the PDs, usually we recommend replacement at 150k with lifters, or as problems arise.

Coming from an older TDI, these new motors are really nice. Their power delivery combined with fuel economy is worlds better than my ALH, however they can have sme pricey issues. As long as you have an emissions warranty, most is covered but my buddy had a few more costly repairs, wastegate actuator for one. Most forums are showing people in the high 40s low 50s on highway cruise, but another friends gasser golf wagon can average 37-38 so if youre going for fuel savings its not a huge difference. Apples to apples drive them both and make your decision, the tdi torque delivery is much nice than the gasser, and with a flash down the road you can get even more power and mpg out of them. Its really the emissions equipment that makes them pricey out of warranty. The older test was if there was any noticebale buildup of soot on the tailpipe, it probably has a broken/cracked DPF. My Gl has 102k and the tips are still extremely clean no soot.


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Originally Posted by Audios
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Does the DSG still use the problematic DMF?

I loved my TDI but at the end I was sweating bullets that I'd get rid of it before the PD injectors went--somehow the cam in mine went the miles, but I'm still not sure how.


No, completely different inside those transmissions. Cam issues are very common on the PDs, usually we recommend replacement at 150k with lifters, or as problems arise.

Coming from an older TDI, these new motors are really nice. Their power delivery combined with fuel economy is worlds better than my ALH, however they can have sme pricey issues. As long as you have an emissions warranty, most is covered but my buddy had a few more costly repairs, wastegate actuator for one. Most forums are showing people in the high 40s low 50s on highway cruise, but another friends gasser golf wagon can average 37-38 so if youre going for fuel savings its not a huge difference. Apples to apples drive them both and make your decision, the tdi torque delivery is much nice than the gasser, and with a flash down the road you can get even more power and mpg out of them. Its really the emissions equipment that makes them pricey out of warranty. The older test was if there was any noticebale buildup of soot on the tailpipe, it probably has a broken/cracked DPF. My Gl has 102k and the tips are still extremely clean no soot.

I thought my '04 TDI was pretty nice. I did 314,000 miles and decided it was time to bail, people were starting to tell me I was getting to the service life of the motor. I think injectors were still $700 each at that point? Even at $500 it didn't seem justified to me to be getting ready for a cam, injectors and full rebuild. Not since I needed fenders, a rear hatch and who knows what else. I got the 300k I had planned for, but not without a lot of worrying about what might break along the way.

I'm still miffed that the DMF failed. I saw the pressure plate and clutch disc, and they were minty fine despite 250k on them.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: supton] #5380294 03/19/20 11:44 AM
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Yes thats common, the springs fail internally, and some explode! Injectors were very very pricey, and unfortunately not many aftermarket replacements due to the innovative PD. However even the more common alh injectors would still be pricey if needed to be replaced. 300k is awesome nowadays, like most older diesels the engines usually outlive the cars theyre installed in. 500k or more in not unheard of, but at what point do its costs outweigh its value? I absolutely love these little cars, besides my 02 I have an 04 and 05 im prepping for sale, they were the end of an era.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5380313 03/19/20 12:02 PM
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My understanding was that the ALH injectors were not that bad on cost. I did like the smooth power delivery of the PD--although once the flywheel broke, I took the opportunity to put in a bigger clutch, and then the turbo went right after that--so a bigger one went in, with a tune,and boy did I love that car after that. smile

I thought 300k was the new norm now? 200k being the new 100k, those of us who do >30k/year are going to expect a trouble-free 10 year / 300k ownership.


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I love the idea of a highway-mileage-eater like the Jetta or Passat diesel. But I'd ONLY have one with the manual. AND I'd be scared of reliability and parts costs.

And they're slow as heck, aren't they? I mean, currently the fiancee and I take our road trips in her 2018 Civic HB with the 1.5T/6MT. It's 174 HP. I think published 0-60 time is mid-to-high 6-second range, and I consider that to be only just adequate. And that's with no passengers or cargo.

I believe these VW diesels are quite a bit slower.


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Originally Posted by john_pifer
I love the idea of a highway-mileage-eater like the Jetta or Passat diesel. But I'd ONLY have one with the manual. AND I'd be scared of reliability and parts costs.

And they're slow as heck, aren't they? I mean, currently the fiancee and I take our road trips in her 2018 Civic HB with the 1.5T/6MT. It's 174 HP. I think published 0-60 time is mid-to-high 6-second range, and I consider that to be only just adequate. And that's with no passengers or cargo.

I believe these VW diesels are quite a bit slower.

Sounds about right, although I've NEVER owned anything that fast. LOL I mean, going by C&D my truck might have broken a 9 second 0-60, the rest are worse.

Thing is, outside of some on-ramps, I rarely accelerate that fast. Heck, when my TDi blew its turbo, I kept driving (didn't know that was the issue). Have to figure, its 100hp was down to maybe 40. I WAS STILL OUT-ACCELERATING PEOPLE LEAVING THE TOLL BOOTH!


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5381035 03/20/20 08:37 AM
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0-60 in 6 seconds was M3/S4 territory 10-15 years ago. That is more than acceptable for most driving. If you want speed, step up in engine size.


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Originally Posted by Audios
0-60 in 6 seconds was M3/S4 territory 10-15 years ago. That is more than acceptable for most driving. If you want speed, step up in engine size.


Dude, it's 2020.


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Originally Posted by john_pifer
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0-60 in 6 seconds was M3/S4 territory 10-15 years ago. That is more than acceptable for most driving. If you want speed, step up in engine size.


Dude, it's 2020.

You would still struggle to get away from Passat. Thing is, TDI has a torque, a bunch of it.
0-60 is the most ridiculous measurement for everyday driving, even everyday aggressive driving.


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Right now our freeways are full of big boxes hauling small boxes.
They stay in that RH lane and you need 30-75 MPH attitude for a short S curved on ramp.

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Right now our freeways are full of big boxes hauling small boxes.
They stay in that RH lane and you need 30-75 MPH attitude for a short S curved on ramp.

It's all about that.


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0-60 in 6 seconds was M3/S4 territory 10-15 years ago. That is more than acceptable for most driving. If you want speed, step up in engine size.


Dude, it's 2020.

You would still struggle to get away from Passat. Thing is, TDI has a torque, a bunch of it.
0-60 is the most ridiculous measurement for everyday driving, even everyday aggressive driving.



Nah, I don't think so. The Passat TDI only had 150 HP/236 lb-ft.

That equates to a 0-60 acceleration time of 9.8 seconds, and 1/4-mile of 17.2 seconds at a blazing 78 mph for the 2015 Passat TDI with the 6-speed manual, as tested by Car & Driver:

https://autotk.com/0-60-times/volkswagen/passat/


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Originally Posted by edyvw
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0-60 in 6 seconds was M3/S4 territory 10-15 years ago. That is more than acceptable for most driving. If you want speed, step up in engine size.


Dude, it's 2020.

You would still struggle to get away from Passat. Thing is, TDI has a torque, a bunch of it.
0-60 is the most ridiculous measurement for everyday driving, even everyday aggressive driving.

Quick question:
How is the TDI Passat and the gas Passat in 0-35 or 0-45? Hills and curves.

My Mazda5 2.5L NA is kind of slow, and I have to giv'er 3-3.5k RPM

Just curious. Thank you


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