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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381063 03/20/20 09:04 AM
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My neighbor had one of those in a rather strange light green color. I think Euro wagons are cool, I wish Americans would have accepted them along with their flock to SUV's, but not to be. Even VW has dropped the Alltrack, and they actually advertised that one.


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381070 03/20/20 09:10 AM
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My neighbor has a 328d wagon that he loves. I would take that with a grain of salt though, he's a BMW fanatic.


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: glock19] #5381110 03/20/20 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by glock19
My neighbor has a 328d wagon that he loves. I would take that with a grain of salt though, he's a BMW fanatic.


Wagon owners generally are. I really like the looks of the F-series wagon. Too bad it could only be bought with AWD. smirk2


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381122 03/20/20 10:13 AM
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I’ve got a 2008 BMW 535xi Wagon (E61 chassis code)

PROS: Cargo space is excellent, especially in a sedan-sized footprint. Car feels very solid overall. Engine is great - the twin turbo is really fast.

CONS: Super heavy, and you feel it. Steering is among the worst BMW made. It’s way too heavy and slow with no feel. I’m sure it’s great at 130 MPH, but of course that never happens. The ZF 6-speed auto isn’t very good. It’s fine, but a 6-speed manual would make it a far better car to drive.


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381126 03/20/20 10:21 AM
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I had an E60 545 V8 6 speed manual. That car was an absolute blast to drive. Had active steering, sport package and cold weather package. It was not cheap to maintain or fun to work on. I ended up getting rid of the car after one year of ownership due to TONS of problems. I had gone through entire cooling system, valve cover gaskets (which is not easy or fun on a V8), crankcase breathers, multiple sets of tires and list goes on. This was over the span of 10 months. When I got rid of it it needed a clutch, a starter, front control arms (compliance bushings) and had some I drive issues. Took a huge hit on equity but it was better for the long run. Bought with 58k miles got rid of it with 77k. I do miss the driving experience, though.

Obviously not an E61 but still my BMW experience

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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: MCompact] #5381172 03/20/20 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MCompact
The E39 is widely regarded as the best 5 Series ever. For me the sweet spot is a 530i Sport with three pedals.

I agree. The 3.0 was better than the 2.8. It had more "power" and got better mileage besides. But they're both very good engines.

And I'd rather have had a 3.0CS than a 2800CS for the same reason (but I'd have taken either one in good rust free condition).

As noted the I6 engines are both very good. They're relatively light and (in the 5 series at least) came with rack and pinion steering instead of the recirculating ball steering of the V8s. Many people say the I6 models handle better than V8s for both of those reasons.

The I6s are also said to be more reliable than the V8s, and less subject to cooling problems. And they certainly get better mileage than the V8s.

While on the subject of 2800CS and 3.0CS models, I've always admired them, but never saw one for sale while the used models were reasonably priced. And they cost the earth now. My wife says I should think of my E39 528i 5MT sport as being an updated 2800CS, and keep it as a future classic car.

On the subject of reliability, the shop foreman at my BMW repair place in Edmonton kept an older E39 5MT for his wife because "it was so reliable". That was all I needed to know on the subject .


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: mattd] #5381182 03/20/20 11:31 AM
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Probably wasn't an Xi either. The cars sure have better steering feel when RWD only.

Originally Posted by mattd
I had an E60 545 V8 6 speed manual. That car was an absolute blast to drive. Had active steering, sport package and cold weather package. It was not cheap to maintain or fun to work on. I ended up getting rid of the car after one year of ownership due to TONS of problems. I had gone through entire cooling system, valve cover gaskets (which is not easy or fun on a V8), crankcase breathers, multiple sets of tires and list goes on. This was over the span of 10 months. When I got rid of it it needed a clutch, a starter, front control arms (compliance bushings) and had some I drive issues. Took a huge hit on equity but it was better for the long run. Bought with 58k miles got rid of it with 77k. I do miss the driving experience, though.

Obviously not an E61 but still my BMW experience

Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381188 03/20/20 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by ecotourist
Close. I have an E39 528i sedan with a manual transmission. It's even a charcoal colour. Mine has the interior appearance package and the M-sport package, ski pass through, zenon headlights, sunroof, etc.

It's a great car. It rides great, handles great, and doesn't have squeaks or rattles. It gets good mileage (though I always use premium fuel). The fit and finish is wonderful. It's even been relatively reliable - for a European car. By comparison, it costs less to maintain than my Volvo 740 Turbo did. It's 20 years old now and it still looks terrific, both inside and out.

Sometimes I think I should buy a new car, but I really don't want to give this one up. And anyway I haven't found anything I like better, or even as much.

What don't I like - nothing really. There is one thing. I don't like the way the sun visors sit when used on the side window. I suspect the frame for the roof is too stout for them to sit nicely.

PS That's an E39 in the photos.


Man! Don't get rid of that car! It has character. Something that is sorely lacking in today's vanilla, antiseptic, car-appliances.

Do you have any photos you could post? With the M-Sport package, I bet it came with some nice wheels. BMW has always outfitted its cars with very nice wheels from the factory.

A photo should be attached (fingers crossed). This photo is taken in Edmonton, thus the Alberta license.

As you say it came with nice wheels (the previous M5's wheels in fact), and of course blacked out trim.

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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: drtyler] #5381193 03/20/20 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by drtyler
Probably wasn't an Xi either. The cars sure have better steering feel when RWD only.

Originally Posted by mattd
I had an E60 545 V8 6 speed manual. That car was an absolute blast to drive. Had active steering, sport package and cold weather package. It was not cheap to maintain or fun to work on. I ended up getting rid of the car after one year of ownership due to TONS of problems. I had gone through entire cooling system, valve cover gaskets (which is not easy or fun on a V8), crankcase breathers, multiple sets of tires and list goes on. This was over the span of 10 months. When I got rid of it it needed a clutch, a starter, front control arms (compliance bushings) and had some I drive issues. Took a huge hit on equity but it was better for the long run. Bought with 58k miles got rid of it with 77k. I do miss the driving experience, though.

Obviously not an E61 but still my BMW experience



Yes it was RWD. Handled like it was on rails. Even at very high speeds.


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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: john_pifer] #5381200 03/20/20 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by john_pifer
The fiancee sent me a cell phone pic she shot of an older BMW 5-Series Wagon the other day. She knows I like stuff like that.

I asked her if she'd consider owning one instead of a boring SUV one day when we have kids. She said she would. A manual transmission would be a must for us.

Anyone own one? How do you like it?

I guess the biggest gas engine they put in them was the 3.2 I-6? 240 HP? I know that was the M3 engine back in the day.

Pre 2001 were 2.8 I-6, after 2001 there were 525i, 530 i and 540i. Best is 530i with M54 engine (525 has same engine just smaller displacement). It is bulletproof engine and as long as cooling system is refreshed it should be fine. Bolt on oil pump should be checked.
However, good luck finding E39 station wagon with stick in good condition. I have spent a year a a half trying to find good 2001 E90 with stick, and they are much more plentiful in the market.


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Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by john_pifer
The fiancee sent me a cell phone pic she shot of an older BMW 5-Series Wagon the other day. She knows I like stuff like that.

I asked her if she'd consider owning one instead of a boring SUV one day when we have kids. She said she would. A manual transmission would be a must for us.

Anyone own one? How do you like it?

I guess the biggest gas engine they put in them was the 3.2 I-6? 240 HP? I know that was the M3 engine back in the day.
2001 E90 with stick, and they are much more plentiful in the market.



2001 E90 eh? bop


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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by john_pifer
The fiancee sent me a cell phone pic she shot of an older BMW 5-Series Wagon the other day. She knows I like stuff like that.

I asked her if she'd consider owning one instead of a boring SUV one day when we have kids. She said she would. A manual transmission would be a must for us.

Anyone own one? How do you like it?

I guess the biggest gas engine they put in them was the 3.2 I-6? 240 HP? I know that was the M3 engine back in the day.
2001 E90 with stick, and they are much more plentiful in the market.



2001 E90 eh? bop

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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: MCompact] #5381214 03/20/20 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MCompact
For me the sweet spot is a 530i Sport with three pedals.

That's what I have. It's my winter beater a this point. Still a decent ride, alas, now that these cars are nearly 20 years old, they require more and more work. Right now I have to take it to the shop to figure out where I'm loosing coolant and my oil leaks are getting worse. A lot of electronics/electrics no longer work, and I don't feel like dumping a ton of money into such an old car.

I suppose any 20-year-old car will require work. While I can put up with it, I would never buy a 20-year old car for my wife. I would never hear the end of it.

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Re: Anyone Own a BMW 5-Series Wagon? [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5381259 03/20/20 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by john_pifer
The fiancee sent me a cell phone pic she shot of an older BMW 5-Series Wagon the other day. She knows I like stuff like that.

I asked her if she'd consider owning one instead of a boring SUV one day when we have kids. She said she would. A manual transmission would be a must for us.

Anyone own one? How do you like it?

I guess the biggest gas engine they put in them was the 3.2 I-6? 240 HP? I know that was the M3 engine back in the day.



For I6 engines you have the 2.5L (525), 2.8L (528) or 3.0L (530), Approx 189 ,200 and 225 hp respectively. 540 was of course the V8 and a rare bird.

Personally I would avoid it just due to it's age and the self-leveling air suspension.



Did all of them have the self-leveling air suspension? Or was that an option?


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Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by MCompact
For me the sweet spot is a 530i Sport with three pedals.

That's what I have. It's my winter beater a this point. Still a decent ride, alas, now that these cars are nearly 20 years old, they require more and more work. Right now I have to take it to the shop to figure out where I'm loosing coolant and my oil leaks are getting worse. A lot of electronics/electrics no longer work, and I don't feel like dumping a ton of money into such an old car.

I suppose any 20-year-old car will require work. While I can put up with it, I would never buy a 20-year old car for my wife. I would never hear the end of it.

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