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TDI Passat? #5379787 03/18/20 06:42 PM
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Good evening folks,

Needless to say, and evidenced by my numerous past posts, I will be in the market for a commuter DD car this spring.

How are the later model Passats? Specifically the TDIs? Does anyone have a modern TDI that can chime in on how well they start in very cold weather. I looked on YouTube and the cold start situation is all over the board -- some start great, some not so much. The poor starts, I can only imagine that someone might have gelled fuel and or weak/bad glow plugs.

I also see they have a DSG 6-speed auto. Are these trannys pretty good? I of course maintain stuff very well, so if it is a matter of keeping to the service interval, no problem.

Have never had anything German so really curious on VW. The seats in the cars look comfy.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379832 03/18/20 07:27 PM
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I had a 2015 Passat TDI and put over 60k miles on it in 2 years. Nice car, handles well but a bit more "floaty " than many VW fans like.
Cold start is very dependent on fuel quality and proper use of anti gel additives. Lowest temp I ever started mine in was 8 below in Cleveland. Started right up with no problem but quite a bit more clattering than usual. Dress warmly as a diesel takes a while to warm up even with the electric heat assistance and heated seats.
The DSG was flawless for me and I do all the transmission maintenance on my DSGs.
It's a great open road car that gobbles up the highway. I hand calculated over a dozen 900+ mile tanks (48+ mpg prefix) all highway of course but it's the only vehicle I ever had where the tank lasted longer than my bladder.

You mentioned as a DD but I wouldn't recommend them if your daily trip is less than 15 miles one way.

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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379851 03/18/20 07:46 PM
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Thanks for the info. Yes my daily commute is 55-60 miles round trip. Is the DSG pretty painless to service?


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379852 03/18/20 07:46 PM
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You only buy one of these because your a fan of diesels. Nothing wrong with that. Many people here hate VW and or German vehicles.
This is an oil board after all where people worry about what oil to put in their Toyota Camry.

I happen to be a semi mechanic for UPS and will suggest a few things. Don't buy a diesel if you have a short commute. Don't buy a modern diesel and let the vehicle warm up more than 2 minutes before driving off. Don't let a modern diesel sit and idle for extended periods. Emissions on modern diesels are stupid costly when something goes wrong and can easily wipe out any fuel savings for the next 200K miles. Letting a modern diesel idle is bad on the emissions system.

Stay away unless your a fan of diesels, have a proper commute and can afford to drop thousands of dollars getting it fixed if out of warranty only to drop thousands of dollars 2 months later to fix something else.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379862 03/18/20 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by redhat
Thanks for the info. Yes my daily commute is 55-60 miles round trip. Is the DSG pretty painless to service?

The DSG service is not bad. Imho the hardest part is taking the battery tray out to get to the transmission filter. I just dropped the transmission fluid, measured it and replaced. I put the new fluid down the filter hole brought it up to temp and checked the level by removing the drain plug until the overflow slowed considerably and plugged it back up.
My wife's daily commute was 50 miles each way and we also chased my daughters college softball team all over the east coast.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379886 03/18/20 08:49 PM
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I had a 2015 Passat TDI that only had 20k miles on it when VW bought it back for dieselgate. I loved that car but couldn't not take the $8500 free money and the use of the car for 2 years. Mine was a 6 speed manual and I got upper 40's consistently. Anything you buy will have the "Fix" applied so mpg and performance will be less but a good warranty is offered from VW. I love diesels/VW's and do my own maintenance but I can't with a clear conscience recommend one to someone unless they are prepared for the different experience they offer. You would probably be better off with a hybrid for fuel mileage and ease of ownership.


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Not a Passat, but my 2011 Jetta TDI starts in the cold just as fast as in the warm (ie. instantly), the only difference is that in really cold weather you wait a bit longer for the glow plug light to go out before you crank.

As for the DSG, can't complain about it. I prefer manual, but my wife can't drive a manual so we bought the DSG. I have serviced it myself at 40k and again at 80k. Now I am at 120k and it needs another service, but I will wait until it gets a bit warmer. I get the fluid and filter at idparts.com.

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They are great vehicles. They will start at seriously low temperatures going below -30. The way you can mitigate that is using oils that are VW 504.00/507.00 (you must use oils approved for this specification) and 0W30 grade like Mobil1 0W30 ESP or Pennzoil Platinum 0W30 LX.
Those 2.0 TDI with CR technology are serious improvement over their botched 2.0TDI and pumpe-duse technology. In Europe there are millions of them on the road, and my brother had a fleet of VW's with that engine that racked up hundreds of thousands of km per unit.
DSG is excellent transmission if you do not plan to tow. It is actually robotized manual transmission and does not ahve torque converter. Make sure you change fluid and filter in transmission every 40-50k.


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Re: TDI Passat? [Re: redhat] #5379941 03/18/20 10:15 PM
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HPFP and DPF failures are too common. Expensive service on DSG and timing belts too.

There's no savings over a gas car. Been there and done that.

Paying for extra fuel and depreciation on the F150 is a lot cheaper than buying another car and paying for insurance, registration, maintenance, and repairs on a 2nd car.

Plus, once you get to the higher mileage point, you get to buy a new truck (cheaper, again).


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The previous generation models are much simpler and cheaper to fix with the PD engines. My 06 Jetta averages 55 mpg but is a stick. You can find them for a third the price of a late model.

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Originally Posted by Nick1994
HPFP and DPF failures are too common. Expensive service on DSG and timing belts too.

There's no savings over a gas car. Been there and done that.

Paying for extra fuel and depreciation on the F150 is a lot cheaper than buying another car and paying for insurance, registration, maintenance, and repairs on a 2nd car.

Plus, once you get to the higher mileage point, you get to buy a new truck (cheaper, again).

DSG service is around $250.


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Originally Posted by Nick1994
HPFP and DPF failures are too common. Expensive service on DSG and timing belts too.

There's no savings over a gas car. Been there and done that.

Paying for extra fuel and depreciation on the F150 is a lot cheaper than buying another car and paying for insurance, registration, maintenance, and repairs on a 2nd car.

Plus, once you get to the higher mileage point, you get to buy a new truck (cheaper, again).

DSG service is around $250.

$200+ thrown down the toilet.


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Originally Posted by Nick1994
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Originally Posted by Nick1994
HPFP and DPF failures are too common. Expensive service on DSG and timing belts too.

There's no savings over a gas car. Been there and done that.

Paying for extra fuel and depreciation on the F150 is a lot cheaper than buying another car and paying for insurance, registration, maintenance, and repairs on a 2nd car.

Plus, once you get to the higher mileage point, you get to buy a new truck (cheaper, again).

DSG service is around $250.

$200+ thrown down the toilet.

I had several of those services, never thought they went down the toilet.


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My brother bought a 15 Passat TDI 6 speed manual. I found the car and worked the deal out. We drove an identical TDI with the DSG on the same day. The manual felt like it was noticeably quicker, to the point that we wondered if it really was detuned. He's put 40k on it and loves it. I do not like VW, neither does my brother. But I would buy one of these if I was driving 30k a year or more. And I would only buy one with a manual trans.

Oh, and he's seen over 52mpg on a full tank average numerous times.


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Does the DSG still use the problematic DMF?

I loved my TDI but at the end I was sweating bullets that I'd get rid of it before the PD injectors went--somehow the cam in mine went the miles, but I'm still not sure how.


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