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Any dark siders here? #5379500 03/18/20 11:49 AM
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Just curious if any of you are running one on your bike, and if so, how do you like it?

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Funny this was posted. Jalopnik recently covered a bit about this. I had heard people did this but it was interesting none the less. Darkside Article


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Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: grampi] #5379541 03/18/20 12:43 PM
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NOT a smart move!! besides poor handling + braking its NOT legal in many areas + can VOID insurance claims. there are motorcycle tyres offering better mileage while lacking performance but still better than a car tyre!! dont be CHEAP be SAFE!!

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Here's a thread that discusses "Darksiding" a bike. There's a comment from Bitog's own ACTUAL (retired) tire engineer, links to statements from tire manufacturers on why it's a bad idea, my own experience with riding various "darksided" bikes, and one VERY zealous supporter of the practice.


Bitog "Darkside" thread

Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: grampi] #5379573 03/18/20 01:20 PM
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So glad this came up.
Now I know "Darksiders" are a dangerous kind of cheapskate rebel.

Hey, it's good to have something to stand for.

Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: grampi] #5379584 03/18/20 01:47 PM
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The discussion of this subject always seems to be heated as both the pro and anti sides are firm believers, but it always begs one question; why not make motorcycle tires out of the same compound that's used to make car tires? The first company that did this would force others to do the same, or go out of business. Unless a super soft compound is needed for performance, deciding whether to buy a tire that lasts 10K miles vs one that lasts 40K miles would be a no brainer...

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Originally Posted by grampi
The discussion of this subject always seems to be heated as both the pro and anti sides are firm believers, but it always begs one question; why not make motorcycle tires out of the same compound that's used to make car tires? The first company that did this would force others to do the same, or go out of business. Unless a super soft compound is needed for performance, deciding whether to buy a tire that lasts 10K miles vs one that lasts 40K miles would be a no brainer...


There some motorcycle tires on the market that have harder rubber in the middle and softer rubber on the sides. Most bikes are using the center section of the tire much more than the sides, so the harder rubber in the middle of the tire gives more wear mileage. I've never tried a tire designed like that, but I can see how it would be beneficial for guy who aren't canyon carvers all day long.

https://motorcycle.michelinman.com/motorbike/tyres/michelin-pilot-road-2

https://www.revzilla.com/multi-compound-motorcycle-tires

Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: ZeeOSix] #5379597 03/18/20 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by grampi
The discussion of this subject always seems to be heated as both the pro and anti sides are firm believers, but it always begs one question; why not make motorcycle tires out of the same compound that's used to make car tires? The first company that did this would force others to do the same, or go out of business. Unless a super soft compound is needed for performance, deciding whether to buy a tire that lasts 10K miles vs one that lasts 40K miles would be a no brainer...


There some motorcycle tires on the market that have harder rubber in the middle and softer rubber on the sides. Most bikes are using the center section of the tire much more than the sides, so the harder rubber in the middle of the tire gives more wear mileage. I've never tried a tire designed like that, but I can see how it would be beneficial for guy who aren't canyon carvers all day long.

https://motorcycle.michelinman.com/motorbike/tyres/michelin-pilot-road-2

https://www.revzilla.com/multi-compound-motorcycle-tires



Even the dual compound tires won't last 30-40K miles, in fact, I still see where guys are having to replace them at 12-15K miles or less, which to me is still unacceptable...

Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: grampi] #5379601 03/18/20 02:25 PM
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Spooning Auto rubber onto your bike is not a tire solution rather its just a rim protector...

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Re: Any dark siders here? [Re: benjy] #5379602 03/18/20 02:26 PM
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I do. I like it. I will keep doing it regardless of what those that have not done it say.

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NOT a smart move!! besides poor handling + braking its NOT legal in many areas + can VOID insurance claims. there are motorcycle tyres offering better mileage while lacking performance but still better than a car tyre!! dont be CHEAP be SAFE!!

Handling is different, but not any worse, braking is better, not illegal anywhere in the USA, and will not void an insurance claim any more that modifying any other vehicle.

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Spooning Auto rubber onto your bike is not a tire solution rather its just a rim protector...

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That is not an accurate representation of a loaded car tire on a motorcycle.

Grampi, the ironic thing about tire compounds is that car tires are softer than bike tires. See this post on a darkside forum

I would never tell anyone to go darkside based on my opinion. Every rider has different needs and expectations, as well as riding conditions and styles. As well as different bikes.
Do some research for yourself. Don't just have a knee jerk reaction to it.
I did my research for my bike and my riding style and my needs, and darkside seems to be what will work for me.
It is not for me on every bike, on my current one it is.
I know some that have done it, and did not like it, so they went back to a bike tire. But I know many more that tried and and won't go back.
Only you can decide if it is the right choice for you.

I am done with this thread though because all the internet know it alls come out with their blah, blah, blah... you're stupid, cheap, don't belong on a bike, don't know what you're talking about, I will sue you if you hit me riding darkside, etc, etc, etc.


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This has been discussed ad nauseum in previous threads on Bitog. I got 12,000 miles from my last Dunlop dual compound rear tire and 19,000 from the same brand/type front tire. My current set is Michelin dual compound so I’ll see how they do vs the Dunlop’s as far as wear goes. I’m OK with that kind of mileage and knowing that I have the best tires that were designed for my motorcycle. I ride with dark siders occasionally and they seem to like the car tires as far as mileage goes but I personally would never want a car tire on any motorcycle I ride. The feel from the abrupt edge of a tire designed for a car vs the smooth contoured transition from center to sidewall of a motorcycle tire in a tight turn or curve would seem disconcerting to me if not down right dangerous. Use what you want but just my 2cents

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That's weird about the car tire compound being softer than bike tires. I wonder why they last so much longer?

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The engineers smack their heads in disbelief at the degree of bad handling their customers will put up just to save a few bucks on tire expenses...

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Originally Posted by BusyLittleShop
The engineers smack their heads in disbelief at the degree of bad handling their customers will put up just to save a few bucks on tire expenses...

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MC tire manufacturers could save everyone money if they'd design tires that would last longer...there's no reason they can't...

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Originally Posted by grampi
The discussion of this subject always seems to be heated as both the pro and anti sides are firm believers, but it always begs one question; why not make motorcycle tires out of the same compound that's used to make car tires? The first company that did this would force others to do the same, or go out of business. Unless a super soft compound is needed for performance, deciding whether to buy a tire that lasts 10K miles vs one that lasts 40K miles would be a no brainer...

There some motorcycle tires on the market that have harder rubber in the middle and softer rubber on the sides. Most bikes are using the center section of the tire much more than the sides, so the harder rubber in the middle of the tire gives more wear mileage. I've never tried a tire designed like that, but I can see how it would be beneficial for guy who aren't canyon carvers all day long.

https://motorcycle.michelinman.com/motorbike/tyres/michelin-pilot-road-2

https://www.revzilla.com/multi-compound-motorcycle-tires

Even the dual compound tires won't last 30-40K miles, in fact, I still see where guys are having to replace them at 12-15K miles or less, which to me is still unacceptable...


The reason car tires (which typically have softer rubber than motorcycle tires) last longer on a motorcycle is because there is lots more rubber in contact with the road (ie, less PSI on the tread) when cruising down the road in a straight line. Compare the contact patch on a motorcycle tire to a car tire. Can't really get around basic physics with changing the rubber compound.

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