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New XOM - Ester FE 2.X #5376463 03/14/20 08:49 PM
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Ester FE 2.X
To help passenger and heavy-duty vehicle engine oils extend fuel economy in 5W+ grades while conforming to SAE J300 specs, we have developed Ester FE 2.X, a co-base stock ester from bio-based feedstock that provides:
Low viscosity
Low volatility
High viscosity index (VI)
Low traction


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Re: New XOM - Ester FE 2.X [Re: buster] #5376470 03/14/20 08:54 PM
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Wow! XOM making a synthetic with synthetic base stocks? It feels like 1979 all over again.


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Re: New XOM - Ester FE 2.X [Re: buster] #5376588 03/15/20 01:58 AM
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Please note that the 5w-30 prototype with Ester FE 2.x has 42% more viscosity modifiers (VM) in it.

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Originally Posted by sloinker
Wow! XOM making a synthetic with synthetic base stocks? It feels like 1979 all over again.


Yes they tried to stop Castrol them decided to join them


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Re: New XOM - Ester FE 2.X [Re: sloinker] #5376858 03/15/20 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
Wow! XOM making a synthetic with synthetic base stocks? It feels like 1979 all over again.

Always has. All M1 oils have some ester as well as PAO. Remember a blended base stock provides a better overall lubricant.


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Re: New XOM - Ester FE 2.X [Re: buster] #5377175 03/15/20 05:27 PM
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They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.


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Originally Posted by sloinker
They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.

Wrong. All M1 oils have a sufficient amount of PAO. Some have a majority of PAO. Like EP and AP. Remember a blended Base stock is an improvement over PAO or esters alone in engine lubricants.


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Re: New XOM - Ester FE 2.X [Re: sloinker] #5377220 03/15/20 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.


Unless you're trying to make a 0w-20 or 0w-16 for bad cold starts, you don't want an oil that's a majority group IV or V. I consider the best blend of synthetic base oils to be 60-70% group III, 20-30% PAO, and 5-10% POE. There's no need for more than that (for most). For the conditions the vast majority of cars see, there's nothing to benefit by using more PAO or POE. Group III base oils have better solubility, pressure-viscosity coefficient, and additive response compared to PAO. Even for oils that consistently see high temps, you still wouldn't see any real benefit from a majority PAO. PAO has better oxidation resistance, but the AO additives have a greater effect on that than the difference between groups III and IV.


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Originally Posted by tig1
Originally Posted by sloinker
They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.

Wrong. All M1 oils have a sufficient amount of PAO. Some have a majority of PAO. Like EP and AP. Remember a blended Base stock is an improvement over PAO or esters alone in engine lubricants.

Agree with tig1 here. I would think that a long drain oil would probably benefit from majority pao. Don't agree with his incessant defense of XOM though.

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Originally Posted by sloinker
They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.

Wrong. All M1 oils have a sufficient amount of PAO. Some have a majority of PAO. Like EP and AP. Remember a blended Base stock is an improvement over PAO or esters alone in engine lubricants.

Agree with tig1 here. I would think that a long drain oil would probably benefit from majority pao. Don't agree with his incessant defense of XOM though.

Is that wrong or should I on occasion pick at them for something perceived not right. Well son here goes! I think this new oil in a box is plain stupid that XM is pushing in WM!! How's that? However the oil in the stupid box is fantastic!! WWF

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Some of XOM's oil indeed does have PAO and a dash of POE. Majority or significant amount? Not so sure. I'm thinking a lot of it doesn't by reading the available literature. When it says 1-50% it may be 1%. Without labeling transparency it is an unknown. I have used M1 on and off over the years, perfectly good oil in the proper application like SuperTech synthetic is good also.


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Well, I bought a pretty big stock of majority PAO M1 AP (clearances) and now I’m a bit like the dog who caught the car. I have two engines that use this 0w20 … but they are GDI and I’m really not into sending money to blackstone for sport.
Thinking run it to 6k … change the $4 PF63E … add a quart of SAE30 for viscosity … run to ————- (fill in)

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They are making a deal.of having 5% ester in this article. By looking at the ads and XOM own literature there may be little.or.no group 4 or 5 in many of its oils. Grp 3 and an add pack with vats of grp.4 and 5 nearby in the blending facility for testing purposes and resale to boutiques.

I assume you missed the part in the picture that showed that the "Prototype GF-6 oil" also had 5% Group V....


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Please note that the 5w-30 prototype with Ester FE 2.x has 42% more viscosity modifiers (VM) in it.

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Yep, the ester-based alternative sucks. Thinner base oil (lower BO KV100 (BOV)) and more VII.

The improvement in the fuel economy is because of the high VII content, and it has nothing to do with the ester. However, high VII content and lower base-oil viscosity increases wear. High VII content also increases engine, intake-valve, and turbocharger deposits.


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Originally Posted by tig1
Originally Posted by sloinker
Wow! XOM making a synthetic with synthetic base stocks? It feels like 1979 all over again.

Always has. All M1 oils have some ester as well as PAO. Remember a blended base stock provides a better overall lubricant.

Nope, none of the Mobil 1 formulations have any ester whatsoever, except the FS and ESP Euro formulations. Instead they have Group V AN (alkylated naphthalene), like in the GF-6 example they gave above. The FS and ESP Euro formulations don't have Group V AN but they have POE ester instead.


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