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NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! #5372711 03/10/20 05:10 PM
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Hi all,

I just found out that in KSA Toyota landcruiser has no DPF and no EGR due to problems that owners reported back in both 2018 and 2019

https://www.landcruiserclub.net/community/threads/egr-delete-by-the-dealership.152756/

I even checked my 2020 LC200 and found that Toyota in KSA deleted both EGR and DPF as they do not want to be responsible for future maintenance cost.

Now the question, What are the things I should be aware of due to this two issues regarding to maintenance? As you may also aware that diesel contains high sulphur.

Two things, I have put catch can and every time I changed the oil, I drain almost 200 ml out of the catch can filter. I also have purchased a diesel pre-filter with 30 micron which has little glass bottle with drain valve to remove water contamination from the tank.


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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5372764 03/10/20 05:59 PM
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The sulfuric acid from the fuel will wreck your oil a little faster, but typical quality diesel oil has decent buffering. Definite candidate for used oil analysis.

The EGR delete and cats shouldn't do too much to your engine or oil.

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5372782 03/10/20 06:22 PM
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if anyone else is struggling with KSA its Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

What that has to do with Ontario, Canada. I'm guessing dual citizenship?

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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: eljefino] #5372793 03/10/20 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
The sulfuric acid from the fuel will wreck your oil a little faster, but typical quality diesel oil has decent buffering. Definite candidate for used oil analysis.

The EGR delete and cats shouldn't do too much to your engine or oil.


I am sticking with 3000 km OCI (two drain and refill + third with filter replacement), so drive it for 3000 km then drain and refill, then another 3000 km with drain and refill and finally 3000 km with drain and refill with filter replacement.

I am planning to send a sample to a lab (possible Blackstone) but wondering about the cost from KSA to the States.


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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: Rand] #5372794 03/10/20 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rand
if anyone else is struggling with KSA its Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

What that has to do with Ontario, Canada. I'm guessing dual citizenship?


I should update that as I just relocate.


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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5372810 03/10/20 06:49 PM
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Does KSA do a reprogram of the ECU, or is there a mod chip installed?

That is my question, and of course, now do you want to "roll coal"? Hah

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5373047 03/11/20 12:18 AM
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This is exactly why I was heavily against the OP using ACEA C3 oil in this particular application, running diesel fuel with a sulfur content of 5,000 ppm in a desert environment.

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5373097 03/11/20 03:39 AM
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no DPF and no EGR means no blocked up intake. he engine internals will stay cleaner for loger and your pocket will thank you for the reduced maintenance bill.

use A3/B4 oil

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5373153 03/11/20 07:21 AM
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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: Olas] #5373252 03/11/20 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Olas
no DPF and no EGR means no blocked up intake. he engine internals will stay cleaner for loger and your pocket will thank you for the reduced maintenance bill.

use A3/B4 oil


Use E4/E7 HDEOs.... Shell Rimula R6M....& equivalents...


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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: ZZman] #5373266 03/11/20 09:36 AM
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FYI...KSA is Saudi Arabia. No EPA there.


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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5373270 03/11/20 09:42 AM
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Shamelessly stolen from the ACEA sequences published on their own website;

A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade Engine Oil intended for use at extended Drain Intervals in Passenger Car & Light Duty Van
Gasoline & DI Diesel Engines, but also suitable for applications described under A3/B3.


E4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant
stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV and Euro V
emission requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals
according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines without particulate filters, and for
some EGR engines and some engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However, recommendations may
differ between engine manufacturers so driver manuals and/or dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.


Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further
provides excellent wear control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel
engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV and Euro V emission requirements and running under severe
conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for
engines without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction
systems. However, recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so driver manuals and/or dealers
shall be consulted if in doubt.



So whilst the E rated oils are suitable for extremely long drain intervals as used by long distance truck drivers, the likelihood is that the oil will be changed long before it needs to be so the cost becomes artifically inflated.
A/B oils typically have a lower starting TBN prediciting shorter drain intervals but SAPS and HTHS are the same across the previsouly mentioned categories.
(Im assuming OP will do short drain intervals because of the amount of sand in the air and the sulphur in the fuel)


You could look at it the same as using Redline in a Geo Metro in so much as it is definitely not a bad thing, but you could have the same protection over the same oci for cheaper.

What are the high and low temps in KSA? What viscosity is appropriate for your climate?

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: Olas] #5373676 03/11/20 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Olas

What are the high and low temps in KSA? What viscosity is appropriate for your climate?


Lowest should be around 10 Celsius and highest around 48 Celsius.

Currently I am using Delo 15W40 for short OCI (3000 km)

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Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: momo] #5374255 03/12/20 08:28 AM
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10/15w 40 is a good viscosity for the climate - A3/B4 for shorter drains or E7 for longer drains, but the main thing is air filtration. you should fit some kind of pre-filter over the air intake to help keep sand/dust etc out of the air supply. the air filter is the most important filter in the whole engine!

Re: NO DPF nor EGR!!!!!! [Re: Olas] #5374353 03/12/20 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Olas
10/15w 40 is a good viscosity for the climate - A3/B4 for shorter drains or E7 for longer drains, but the main thing is air filtration. you should fit some kind of pre-filter over the air intake to help keep sand/dust etc out of the air supply. the air filter is the most important filter in the whole engine!


Would a Snorkel help to get fresh less contaminated air with sand and dust?

Also do you recommend a brand for pre-filter? (e.g., https://filterwears.com/)

Last edited by momo; 03/12/20 10:10 AM.

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