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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: super20dan] #5371102 03/08/20 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by super20dan
yet another black eye for the infamous gm 2.4 . equinox


Beat to death long ago, Not that the Ecotech was a bad design....Adapting DI to it was a bad decision.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Olas] #5371346 03/09/20 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Olas
Carburettors are starting to look attractive again wink





Not to me . When TB injection came out , I thought it was great . Eventually got a car with multi port injection . It seemed better .

Direct injection is fine for diesels . Pretty sure I do not want it in a gas engine .


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: WyrTwister] #5371498 03/09/20 10:50 AM
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Agree

Anyone who owned and drove in the 1960s and 70s - especially Chrysler vehicles, never wants anything to do with carbs again.
That's like requesting points and distributors come back also........nada..... never again.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #5371638 03/09/20 02:02 PM
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EcoTec GM 2.4L engine is the problem that is most of that article.

Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: JustN89] #5371661 03/09/20 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JustN89
My sister-in-law just bought a 2012/2013 Equinox with the 2.4L. I hope that car will be reliable for them as I know they're not in a position to spend a bunch of money replacing it, but it has me concerned. I wish she had asked for a 2nd opinion before buying it...


I'm in that boat. Wish I had read more about them before I helped my wife pick out a 2013 Equinox. It's been disappointingly experiencing known problems. Doors started rusting along the bottom at 3 years old, cam phaser solenoids failed, and it burns about a quart of oil every 1500-2000 miles. Even got the letter saying our VIN is covered under the piston ring special service, but the dealer won't budge. She still owes a bit on it, so hoping it holds up until we can get rid of it, preferably before it starts throwing check engine lights for worn out timing chains, another endearing problem to look forward to.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #5371810 03/09/20 06:32 PM
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I HATE GDI turbos! My 2er only gets 26 mpg on average and just barely runs under 13 seconds in the quarter mile.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: clinebarger] #5371830 03/09/20 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by super20dan
yet another black eye for the infamous gm 2.4 . equinox


Beat to death long ago, Not that the Ecotech was a bad design....Adapting DI to it was a bad decision.

the 2.4 in the equinox was indeed a bad desighn with more problems than just DI.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #5371871 03/09/20 07:50 PM
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Lol the same people who dismiss the corona virus are the same ones who basically poop themselves over DI.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: super20dan] #5371994 03/09/20 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by super20dan
Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by super20dan
yet another black eye for the infamous gm 2.4 . equinox


Beat to death long ago, Not that the Ecotech was a bad design....Adapting DI to it was a bad decision.

the 2.4 in the equinox was indeed a bad desighn with more problems than just DI.


I said the Ecotech wasn't a bad design....Which is what the 2.4L VVT-DI engine is based on. VVT was also adapted to it as the original versions didn't have it.

The Supercharged LSJ 2.0L Ecotech would take beating! My MIL still drives her 2001 Saturn L200 with over 300,000 on the L61 2.2L.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #5372287 03/10/20 09:19 AM
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It's been what, like 50 years since American car companies been making poor cars and trucks. It amazes me how many "car guys" on BITOG buy used Chevys and Fords in 2020. Even in a very distant Ukraine, the glory of unreliability and poor craftsmanship of American cars was known, despite barely any American cars there. It's that famous. Why on Earth would someone get a 5-7 year old Chevy Equinox or similar, when there are Japanese? There is a perfect logical reason for domestic trio losing so much market share over the last 50 years. Yet there is no logical reason why there are so many not particularly bright Americans that still give them business, especially in a used market!!! bop

Pick up trucks are the exception, but only because there are barely any substitutes from foreign brands.

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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: vivaUkraine] #5372335 03/10/20 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vivaUkraine
Why on Earth would someone get a 5-7 year old Chevy Equinox or similar, when there are Japanese? There is no logical reason why there are so many not particularly bright Americans that still give them business, especially in a used market!!! bop



ummmmm....... current price of the foreign model comprises the #1 reason why someone that lives month-to-month chooses the much cheaper used Chevy.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5372347 03/10/20 10:19 AM
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Especially if you're poor you can't afford a car from a brand that has a 50 year old reputation for a poor craftsmanship, no? ???

I think American mentality of getting quantity over quality is equivalent, in many cases, of shooting one's self into a foot over longer term

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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #5372445 03/10/20 12:17 PM
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I receive that magazine each month.
Babcox publishes several specialty technical periodicals...they're yours gratis just for the asking.

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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: vivaUkraine] #5372515 03/10/20 01:50 PM
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One can look at this another way. The higher depreciation of North American cars helps offset the higher maintenance and repair costs.

I'd buy your argument with respect to new cars. One is going to take a bath when it comes to the value lost on a new North American built car. (As you mentioned, not so much on trucks.)

As used cars, they are often a pretty good value. The problems are often sorted out by the time they hit the used market. Parts are often less costly, so one can get into one in the used market and keep it going for less than a used Japanese car that has a higher purchase price due to lower depreciation.

I paid $2k for our 1999 Grand Marquis a little over 5 years ago and have put about 40k miles on it. A new A/C compressor, new ball joints and tie rod ends, some new tires, belts, hoses and tune up parts has been it.

We have our Toyota and Mazda as well. But I don't worry about any of them leaving me on the side of the road.

But I doubt I could have purchased a 15 year old Toyota with 62k miles on it for that kind of money...

Originally Posted by vivaUkraine
It's been what, like 50 years since American car companies been making poor cars and trucks. It amazes me how many "car guys" on BITOG buy used Chevys and Fords in 2020. Even in a very distant Ukraine, the glory of unreliability and poor craftsmanship of American cars was known, despite barely any American cars there. It's that famous. Why on Earth would someone get a 5-7 year old Chevy Equinox or similar, when there are Japanese? There is a perfect logical reason for domestic trio losing so much market share over the last 50 years. Yet there is no logical reason why there are so many not particularly bright Americans that still give them business, especially in a used market!!! bop

Pick up trucks are the exception, but only because there are barely any substitutes from foreign brands.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: javacontour] #5372597 03/10/20 03:15 PM
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I'm all for $2k Grand Marquis etc. It's these are the type of cases I was referring to, which is not your case.

Originally Posted by JustN89
My sister-in-law just bought a 2012/2013 Equinox with the 2.4L. I hope that car will be reliable for them as I know they're not in a position to spend a bunch of money replacing it, but it has me concerned. I wish she had asked for a 2nd opinion before buying it...


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Originally Posted by JustN89
My sister-in-law just bought a 2012/2013 Equinox with the 2.4L. I hope that car will be reliable for them as I know they're not in a position to spend a bunch of money replacing it, but it has me concerned. I wish she had asked for a 2nd opinion before buying it...


I'm in that boat. Wish I had read more about them before I helped my wife pick out a 2013 Equinox. It's been disappointingly experiencing known problems. Doors started rusting along the bottom at 3 years old, cam phaser solenoids failed, and it burns about a quart of oil every 1500-2000 miles. Even got the letter saying our VIN is covered under the piston ring special service, but the dealer won't budge. She still owes a bit on it, so hoping it holds up until we can get rid of it, preferably before it starts throwing check engine lights for worn out timing chains, another endearing problem to look forward to.

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