Here is snap of the 2020 Ford 3.5 Eco-boost engine. Does anyone know if they redesigned the water pump location so it is no longer under the timing cover? This shot shows what might be an external water pump.
Newest Ford 3.5 Ecoboost
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The eco in the F150 and longitudinal applications has had an external pump since 2011. In the transverse configuration, it seems to be under the timing cover.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfO5hFN1NHw
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See that puller with 3 bolts in the middle of the timing cover? That is the water pump pulley.
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
See that puller with 3 bolts in the middle of the timing cover? That is the water pump pulley.
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See that puller with 3 bolts in the middle of the timing cover? That is the water pump pulley.
pulley
I think that's the standard 3.5L EB engine that you get in the 2020 F150. The high output version is 450HP and is available in the Raptor and Limited.
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Nah. That's the normal output 3.5 eco since 2018. The high output is 450hp and 510 ft lbs. They look the same from the outside.
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Originally Posted by wallyuwl
That is the high output 3.5 only available on the F-150 Limited 2019+ model year. At least that is what it looks like based on the writing below the engine pic.
Originally Posted by wallyuwl
That is the high output 3.5 only available on the F-150 Limited 2019+ model year. At least that is what it looks like based on the writing below the engine pic.
Originally Posted by tcp71
Nah. That's the normal output 3.5 eco since 2018. The high output is 450hp and 510 ft lbs. They look the same from the outside.
Originally Posted by wallyuwl
That is the high output 3.5 only available on the F-150 Limited 2019+ model year. At least that is what it looks like based on the writing below the engine pic.
They need to "Raptorize" the Expedition FX4 and offer it with that 450 HP HO EcoBoost.
Would be the fastest full-size ute, by far.
Nah. That's the normal output 3.5 eco since 2018. The high output is 450hp and 510 ft lbs. They look the same from the outside.
Originally Posted by wallyuwl
That is the high output 3.5 only available on the F-150 Limited 2019+ model year. At least that is what it looks like based on the writing below the engine pic.
They need to "Raptorize" the Expedition FX4 and offer it with that 450 HP HO EcoBoost.
Would be the fastest full-size ute, by far.
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
manufactureers cater to what the market wants, I get that, but 375 seems like an awfully small number from a twin turbo V6 when we've had 100hp/l NA engines for decades.
but hey, if they can produce them for cheap and sell at a large margin then thats good business practice. you have to wonder what consumers actually expect and wether this is influenced by the corporations that sell to them.
manufactureers cater to what the market wants, I get that, but 375 seems like an awfully small number from a twin turbo V6 when we've had 100hp/l NA engines for decades.
but hey, if they can produce them for cheap and sell at a large margin then thats good business practice. you have to wonder what consumers actually expect and wether this is influenced by the corporations that sell to them.
Originally Posted by Olas
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
manufactureers cater to what the market wants, I get that, but 375 seems like an awfully small number from a twin turbo V6 when we've had 100hp/l NA engines for decades.
but hey, if they can produce them for cheap and sell at a large margin then thats good business practice. you have to wonder what consumers actually expect and wether this is influenced by the corporations that sell to them.
Near zero lag, huge area under the curve in torque, highly efficient when you're not wailing on it, the list goes on...
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
manufactureers cater to what the market wants, I get that, but 375 seems like an awfully small number from a twin turbo V6 when we've had 100hp/l NA engines for decades.
but hey, if they can produce them for cheap and sell at a large margin then thats good business practice. you have to wonder what consumers actually expect and wether this is influenced by the corporations that sell to them.
Near zero lag, huge area under the curve in torque, highly efficient when you're not wailing on it, the list goes on...
Originally Posted by Olas
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
Let's talk about that. One naturally aspirated high performance engine readily obtainable is the 5.0 in the 2020 Mustang. It makes 460 HP at 7,000 rpm. Dang, didn't make it to 100 HP per liter.
The 2020 Corvette 6.2 liter naturally aspirated motor makes 495 hp at 6450 rpm. Nuts, it didn't make it either.
The Ferrari Superfast 812 does. It makes 789 HP with it's 6.5 V-12 engine but unfortunately costs $360,000.
What's your favourite naturally aspirated engine that makes 100 HP/ liter especially in the 3 to 5 liter range.
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
Let's talk about that. One naturally aspirated high performance engine readily obtainable is the 5.0 in the 2020 Mustang. It makes 460 HP at 7,000 rpm. Dang, didn't make it to 100 HP per liter.
The 2020 Corvette 6.2 liter naturally aspirated motor makes 495 hp at 6450 rpm. Nuts, it didn't make it either.
The Ferrari Superfast 812 does. It makes 789 HP with it's 6.5 V-12 engine but unfortunately costs $360,000.
What's your favourite naturally aspirated engine that makes 100 HP/ liter especially in the 3 to 5 liter range.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Originally Posted by Olas
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
Let's talk about that. One naturally aspirated high performance engine readily obtainable is the 5.0 in the 2020 Mustang. It makes 460 HP at 7,000 rpm. Dang, didn't make it to 100 HP per liter.
The 2020 Corvette 6.2 liter naturally aspirated motor makes 495 hp at 6450 rpm. Nuts, it didn't make it either.
The Ferrari Superfast 812 does. It makes 789 HP with it's 6.5 V-12 engine but unfortunately costs $360,000.
What's your favourite naturally aspirated engine that makes 100 HP/ liter especially in the 3 to 5 liter range.
BMW I6 s54 in the E46 M3 is my favorite. Beautiful engine. The Gt350 also achieves it from its 5.2L masterpiece. Too many others to list.
Originally Posted by Olas
I dont understand why they need twin turbos to break 100hp/l. the standard model is 3.5l and 375hp but you can hit those numbers with heads and cams and save all the wight and complexity of the turbos.
Let's talk about that. One naturally aspirated high performance engine readily obtainable is the 5.0 in the 2020 Mustang. It makes 460 HP at 7,000 rpm. Dang, didn't make it to 100 HP per liter.
The 2020 Corvette 6.2 liter naturally aspirated motor makes 495 hp at 6450 rpm. Nuts, it didn't make it either.
The Ferrari Superfast 812 does. It makes 789 HP with it's 6.5 V-12 engine but unfortunately costs $360,000.
What's your favourite naturally aspirated engine that makes 100 HP/ liter especially in the 3 to 5 liter range.
BMW I6 s54 in the E46 M3 is my favorite. Beautiful engine. The Gt350 also achieves it from its 5.2L masterpiece. Too many others to list.
Yep, Mustang GT350, 526 HP @7500 rpm. The owners manual calls for 5w50 synthetic. Crazy engine!
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Highest hp/liter motor Ford makes is the 325hp 2.7 liter Ecoboost V6 which rates at 120hp per. Another unique characteristic of the 2.7 is peak torque 400 lb-ft occurs at only 2750 rpm, at least in the F150 application.
Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Highest hp/liter motor Ford makes is the 325hp 2.7 liter Ecoboost V6 which rates at 120hp per. Another unique characteristic of the 2.7 is peak torque 400 lb-ft occurs at only 2750 rpm, at least in the F150 application.
The Raptor and Limited/Navigator motor would like a word with you. 128 hp/liter.
Highest hp/liter motor Ford makes is the 325hp 2.7 liter Ecoboost V6 which rates at 120hp per. Another unique characteristic of the 2.7 is peak torque 400 lb-ft occurs at only 2750 rpm, at least in the F150 application.
The Raptor and Limited/Navigator motor would like a word with you. 128 hp/liter.
Originally Posted by RhondaHonda
Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Highest hp/liter motor Ford makes is the 325hp 2.7 liter Ecoboost V6 which rates at 120hp per. Another unique characteristic of the 2.7 is peak torque 400 lb-ft occurs at only 2750 rpm, at least in the F150 application.
The Raptor and Limited/Navigator motor would like a word with you. 128 hp/liter.
Plus it puts out its 450 HP at 5000 rpm. You don't have to walk it up to 7500 rpm like the GT 350 to get to it's peak power.
Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Highest hp/liter motor Ford makes is the 325hp 2.7 liter Ecoboost V6 which rates at 120hp per. Another unique characteristic of the 2.7 is peak torque 400 lb-ft occurs at only 2750 rpm, at least in the F150 application.
The Raptor and Limited/Navigator motor would like a word with you. 128 hp/liter.
Plus it puts out its 450 HP at 5000 rpm. You don't have to walk it up to 7500 rpm like the GT 350 to get to it's peak power.
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