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Re: BITOG Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Poll/Survey? [Re: OVERKILL] #5357500 02/22/20 06:22 PM
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Well I think I can go to the Library and find all that info I need in Consumer Reports. I think from following BITOG as long as I have there is too much biased information here.


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Re: BITOG Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Poll/Survey? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5357517 02/22/20 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Well I think I can go to the Library and find all that info I need in Consumer Reports. I think from following BITOG as long as I have there is too much biased information here.


And if you are happy with information gathered from people that may not understand the function of paddle shifters and input a transmission complaint because of it; happy with information gathered from people that by and large don't know jack about cars, that's fine. My intention here is to garner interest in the possibility of gathering more specific, but hopefully unbiased data from a demographic that is more enthusiast-oriented and can highlight key problem points beyond "engine issues" or "transmission issues" and the like.


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Re: BITOG Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Poll/Survey? [Re: OVERKILL] #5357780 02/23/20 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Well I think I can go to the Library and find all that info I need in Consumer Reports. I think from following BITOG as long as I have there is too much biased information here.


And if you are happy with information gathered from people that may not understand the function of paddle shifters and input a transmission complaint because of it; happy with information gathered from people that by and large don't know jack about cars, that's fine. My intention here is to garner interest in the possibility of gathering more specific, but hopefully unbiased data from a demographic that is more enthusiast-oriented and can highlight key problem points beyond "engine issues" or "transmission issues" and the like.


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I'm a bit of a car guy but even that is all over the board on how 'we' describe ourselves and ' compared to who? ' smile
Things I'm not 100% clear about are items I have no problem reading up on or asking questions and forums like this can be very helpful. Because of that, I'm not the guy that will give detailed analysis on paddle shifters nor complain about them because I rarely use them and "Am I using them right? "
That would be an unfair evaluation or simply skew data others consider valuable or take at face value. I'm not a tech guy either so I'll bump along until I figure out how to mate the phone and use the easiest of access and features. Me rating infotain and things of that sort would be in the same category.
Besides my goodwill of knowing I'd be misleading others, I'd stand the biggest chance of being caught as a simpleton about such things and that's incentive enough for me to behave.
I'm absolutely misleading already about the car guy thing in the context of anything beyond a '68 Bug , '74 CJ or maybe something more modern like an '82 Dodge Club cab.

There are plenty of good resources to search when you have things filtered down to year make and model of what one considers shopping or buying. Owner reviews, projects or mods is plentiful on car specific sites. TBS, recall etc....tons of good info and many avoid buying something that had a recent change or is a new platform until it proves itself some. Edmunds and Truecar offer reviews and pricing guides, it's just limited by the time frame you have or want to put in for research before pulling the trigger.

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Re: BITOG Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Poll/Survey? [Re: OVERKILL] #5367869 03/05/20 09:32 AM
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I think it would be interesting, but part of the reason why there are so many vehicle brands and offerings is the variety of buyers and what they want. Nobody buys a Jeep Wrangler for example expecting it to be economical. I love mine, but it is not a daily driver for a reason. I own a BMW because of the way it drives and the fun I have with it. I spend a considerable amount of time behind the wheel (2 hours minimum a day) so I want something engaging. For the X cost over a simple econobox it's worth it to me, but likely won't be for the many buyers that want something that simply gets them from A to B reliably and cheaply.

One thing the automakers are having a hard time with (and have been for years) is you can't make a vehicle that does everything exceptionally well. It can't be reliable, while also being able to tow/haul, provide great driving dynamics, and get 60 mpg. There are trade offs, and attempting to make vehicles that do everything result in cars that do many of those things but only adequately. Toyota for example is known as a very reliable brand, but part of that is because they have very old but proven technology, which the trade offs are things like a full-size truck that gets 10 mpg.


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Re: BITOG Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Poll/Survey? [Re: tundraotto] #5368086 03/05/20 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto
I wish we could rate members like I have seen on a few other boards....

Makes it nice for newbies to see who is for real and who is just a stirrer or otherwise generally a negative member.

I've seen that on some sites and after a while, I realize it has serious flaws. What happens way too often is some members end up with a bunch of folks that basically worship everything they post. They 'thank' them for the most innocuous posts. Now, if someone gives a detailed, accurate explanation of something, that should warrant a 'thank', but I've seen reponses like "I think you're right" also get thanked by those followers. I just want to hand out tissues so they can wipe the brown stuff off of their noses....

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