Well when the cooling system fails or the transmission blows up from not changing the fluids, then it lasted the 'lifetime' of that system
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Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by atikovi
I'd think you would want thicker oil with the increased stress between parts in a race motor.
You get the most power out of the engine by having the least oil pumping losses. Granted, I think it's only for drag racing so 1/4 mile at a time.
"Pro Stock" engines turning 9,000+ RPM are looking for every last .001 second they can - which can be the difference between a win and a loss.
It's not just pumping losses - Windage (the loss of energy from the crank and rods colliding with oil splashing around) can cause measurable HP loss!
Originally Posted by atikovi
I'd think you would want thicker oil with the increased stress between parts in a race motor.
You get the most power out of the engine by having the least oil pumping losses. Granted, I think it's only for drag racing so 1/4 mile at a time.
"Pro Stock" engines turning 9,000+ RPM are looking for every last .001 second they can - which can be the difference between a win and a loss.
It's not just pumping losses - Windage (the loss of energy from the crank and rods colliding with oil splashing around) can cause measurable HP loss!
Originally Posted by Doublehaul
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
The only "lifetime" the manufacturer is concerned with is the warranty period.
Also not really a new thing. A long time ago I owned an AMC Hornet that specified no automatic transmission fluid changes. Not a good idea back then. Not a good idea now.
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
The only "lifetime" the manufacturer is concerned with is the warranty period.
Also not really a new thing. A long time ago I owned an AMC Hornet that specified no automatic transmission fluid changes. Not a good idea back then. Not a good idea now.
Originally Posted by Doublehaul
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
Only for the first owner.
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
Only for the first owner.
Originally Posted by Doublehaul
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
GM must have been close to this in 1970. My aunt had a 70 Cutlass that got topped up only when the low oil pressure light came on. Was 5 or 6 years into ownership experience before she was made aware that oil was supposed to be changed periodically. I don't think she ever really bought into that idea. And yet...the body rusted away to nothing while engine and tranny still worked fine.
I wonder when we will start getting cars with lifetime engine oil? We are already there with transmissions and coolant
GM must have been close to this in 1970. My aunt had a 70 Cutlass that got topped up only when the low oil pressure light came on. Was 5 or 6 years into ownership experience before she was made aware that oil was supposed to be changed periodically. I don't think she ever really bought into that idea. And yet...the body rusted away to nothing while engine and tranny still worked fine.
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Originally Posted by double vanos
Interesting read. https://www.infineuminsight.com/en-...um=email&utm_source=Infineum+Insight
That's going to be some thin oil!
Scroll down to this question: Where do you see the best opportunities for bio base stock growth and why?
These guys in the article act as as if this is something new, which it isn't. Research has been ongoing on this topic before in a serious manner since the gas distribution problem that occurred in the seventies.
If you want more info here are some references:
Tribological Properties of some Vegetable oils and fats, Lubrication Engineering 45 (11), 1988
Synthetics, Mineral Oils, and Bio-Based Lubricants, CRC, 2006.
Fats and Oils Handbook, AOCS Press, 1998.
Vegetable Oils and lubricants,Grasas Aceities, 39, (Seville) 1988.
Also see,
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/729310/esters-general#Post729310
and from one of our own members who developed esters:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/
Esters are not the only synthetic oils that are being used in base oil mixtures.
Interesting read. https://www.infineuminsight.com/en-...um=email&utm_source=Infineum+Insight
That's going to be some thin oil!
Scroll down to this question: Where do you see the best opportunities for bio base stock growth and why?
These guys in the article act as as if this is something new, which it isn't. Research has been ongoing on this topic before in a serious manner since the gas distribution problem that occurred in the seventies.
If you want more info here are some references:
Tribological Properties of some Vegetable oils and fats, Lubrication Engineering 45 (11), 1988
Synthetics, Mineral Oils, and Bio-Based Lubricants, CRC, 2006.
Fats and Oils Handbook, AOCS Press, 1998.
Vegetable Oils and lubricants,Grasas Aceities, 39, (Seville) 1988.
Also see,
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/729310/esters-general#Post729310
and from one of our own members who developed esters:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/
Esters are not the only synthetic oils that are being used in base oil mixtures.
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Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by atikovi
I'd think you would want thicker oil with the increased stress between parts in a race motor.
You get the most power out of the engine by having the least oil pumping losses. Granted, I think it's only for drag racing so 1/4 mile at a time.
"Pro Stock" engines turning 9,000+ RPM are looking for every last .001 second they can - which can be the difference between a win and a loss.
It's not just pumping losses - Windage (the loss of energy from the crank and rods colliding with oil splashing around) can cause measurable HP loss!
Didn't Royal Purple get in some trouble for their "dyno" tests? They'd run the motor on X brand oil then dump it and refill with Royal Purple and magically gain 35hp. I think the controversy was they were underfilling by a quart or two with the Royal Purple to pull those numbers.
Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by atikovi
I'd think you would want thicker oil with the increased stress between parts in a race motor.
You get the most power out of the engine by having the least oil pumping losses. Granted, I think it's only for drag racing so 1/4 mile at a time.
"Pro Stock" engines turning 9,000+ RPM are looking for every last .001 second they can - which can be the difference between a win and a loss.
It's not just pumping losses - Windage (the loss of energy from the crank and rods colliding with oil splashing around) can cause measurable HP loss!
Didn't Royal Purple get in some trouble for their "dyno" tests? They'd run the motor on X brand oil then dump it and refill with Royal Purple and magically gain 35hp. I think the controversy was they were underfilling by a quart or two with the Royal Purple to pull those numbers.
MolaKule
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Originally Posted by ironman_gq
...Didn't Royal Purple get in some trouble for their "dyno" tests? They'd run the motor on X brand oil then dump it and refill with Royal Purple and magically gain 35hp. I think the controversy was they were underfilling by a quart or two with the Royal Purple to pull those numbers.
Past history but I am not sure it was a documented situation or a conspiracy theory promulgated by the Internet armchairs.
...Didn't Royal Purple get in some trouble for their "dyno" tests? They'd run the motor on X brand oil then dump it and refill with Royal Purple and magically gain 35hp. I think the controversy was they were underfilling by a quart or two with the Royal Purple to pull those numbers.
Past history but I am not sure it was a documented situation or a conspiracy theory promulgated by the Internet armchairs.
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by double vanos
Interesting read. https://www.infineuminsight.com/en-...um=email&utm_source=Infineum+Insight
That's going to be some thin oil!
Scroll down to this question: Where do you see the best opportunities for bio base stock growth and why?
These guys in the article act as as if this is something new, which it isn't. Research has been ongoing on this topic before in a serious manner since the gas distribution problem that occurred in the seventies.
If you want more info here are some references:
Tribological Properties of some Vegetable oils and fats, Lubrication Engineering 45 (11), 1988
Synthetics, Mineral Oils, and Bio-Based Lubricants, CRC, 2006.
Fats and Oils Handbook, AOCS Press, 1998.
Vegetable Oils and lubricants,Grasas Aceities, 39, (Seville) 1988.
Also see,
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/729310/esters-general#Post729310
and from one of our own members who developed esters:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/
Esters are not the only synthetic oils that are being used in mixtures of base oils.
Thank you for this response and further reading material.
Originally Posted by double vanos
Interesting read. https://www.infineuminsight.com/en-...um=email&utm_source=Infineum+Insight
That's going to be some thin oil!
Scroll down to this question: Where do you see the best opportunities for bio base stock growth and why?
These guys in the article act as as if this is something new, which it isn't. Research has been ongoing on this topic before in a serious manner since the gas distribution problem that occurred in the seventies.
If you want more info here are some references:
Tribological Properties of some Vegetable oils and fats, Lubrication Engineering 45 (11), 1988
Synthetics, Mineral Oils, and Bio-Based Lubricants, CRC, 2006.
Fats and Oils Handbook, AOCS Press, 1998.
Vegetable Oils and lubricants,Grasas Aceities, 39, (Seville) 1988.
Also see,
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/729310/esters-general#Post729310
and from one of our own members who developed esters:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/esters-in-synthetic-lubricants/
Esters are not the only synthetic oils that are being used in mixtures of base oils.
Thank you for this response and further reading material.
I'm sure once Toyota and CAFE get involved it will be the new norm! Look at everyone now already pushing 0W16, its all about that .000001%mpg who cares about engine longevity!!!!!!
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