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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: super20dan] #5358333 02/23/20 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by super20dan
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by dogememe
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Might be time to switch to gas power.

This. Fuel economy will be awful in something so heavy but it'll be far cheaper to keep a gasser on the road.
Ford PSDs should be banned from the public sector. What a waste!

I agree-how could they possiably be given ambulance contracts again after the 6.0 and 6.4 fiasco


We all know you don’t like ford diesels, no need to keep beating your dead horse.

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358347 02/23/20 07:48 PM
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Matt... can I ask what the price tag is on a job like that?

Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: P10crew] #5358359 02/23/20 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by P10crew
Matt... can I ask what the price tag is on a job like that?


I didn’t see the final bill, but I know our cost with all the parts from ford (turbo, injectors, lifters, gaskets and a handful of more things) was around 6000$. Machine shop cost was 1500$, and our cost on studs were just shy of 800$. So parts and services alone for the engine about 8300$. Needed some other Misc things for wiring and other small things...negligible in cost. Total labor for engine repairs I think was 33 hours or so including extra time for the upfitting. Truck also got new brakes with calipers and new rear springs/shocks while i had it. I’d guess for engine work alone around 13,000$. Probably 1400$ Or so for brakes springs and shocks with labor.

Keep in mind a new Truck is about 300,000$. And a new engine installed is around 18,000-19,000

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358397 02/23/20 08:42 PM
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pretty good chunk of change there. How long do they keep a rig like that in service?

Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358415 02/23/20 09:01 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Interesting to say the least.

What is average hours on something like that? I am seeing more and more Caprice PPVs show up at auction and running with 10,000 to 12,000 miles on them.
Guys will still drive them without and major repairs unless they have a DOD failure.


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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358420 02/23/20 09:12 PM
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Around here they run the small freightliner for the ambulance/ rescue rigs. I don’t know what those run for powertrain

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Originally Posted by P10crew
Around here they run the small freightliner for the ambulance/ rescue rigs. I don’t know what those run for powertrain


Likely a Cummins or IH engine in those freightliners.

Originally Posted by ls1mike
Thanks for sharing. Interesting to say the least.

What is average hours on something like that? I am seeing more and more Caprice PPVs show up at auction and running with 10,000 to 12,000 miles on them.
Guys will still drive them without and major repairs unless they have a DOD failure.



This particular truck has 30,200 hours total run time. It’s a 2011. This truck has got it’s life out of it, but at this point they don’t have money for new vehicles so they’ve are forced to repair the ones they have. The city that owns this truck runs their equipment beyond practical use. But new vehicles come basically when the chassis rot out. This truck is not rotted. Everything has already been repaired or replaced in the drivetrain at least once already (other than rear end)

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358446 02/23/20 09:46 PM
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So the first engine got about 18,000 hours. I was just wondering as the cop cars see some wild amounts of hours, but it is different duty and they are gassers.
Couple of guys have 2011 Caprices with close to 20,000 now. The both did the DOD delete at some point.

The engine in there now was a 12,000 you say? Maybe I missed it, who did the rebuild?

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358448 02/23/20 09:47 PM
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These see a lot more idle time than your typical truck with a PSD. Wonder if that is part of the problem?


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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358455 02/23/20 09:49 PM
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Yes the original engine went 18,000. This was a ford reman drop in engine that wasn’t installed by me.

I see lots of police interceptor explorers that other guys in the shop work on with well over 20,000 hours on 2015 explorers. Original engines with maybe one or 2 exceptions. Those failures were due to water pump failures (3.7)

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: Donald] #5358459 02/23/20 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
These see a lot more idle time than your typical truck with a PSD. Wonder if that is part of the problem?


Yes idle time is a problem, and the emissions equipment makes it worse (this truck does not apply). Ambulances have a high idle function built in with the parking brake. That is much better for the engine than low speed idle.

Lots of idle time usually results in high valve train wear. The lifters were tired on this engine but rocker arms did not look bad. Cylinders themselves were in great shape for the hours.

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: Donald] #5358460 02/23/20 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
These see a lot more idle time than your typical truck with a PSD. Wonder if that is part of the problem?


How long do you think it should live?
I am curious as well. It seems some of the Gas engines can pull these kind of hours as well.

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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: mattd] #5358488 02/23/20 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mattd
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These see a lot more idle time than your typical truck with a PSD. Wonder if that is part of the problem?


Yes idle time is a problem, and the emissions equipment makes it worse (this truck does not apply). Ambulances have a high idle function built in with the parking brake. That is much better for the engine than low speed idle.

Lots of idle time usually results in high valve train wear. The lifters were tired on this engine but rocker arms did not look bad. Cylinders themselves were in great shape for the hours.

What’s the maintenance schedule (Oil, coolant, ATF, PS fluid) on these trucks with all the idle hours?

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Oil every 4-6 weeks, (around 350ish hours). ATF twice a year with filter once a year. Coolant is basically with repairs the trucks are apart somewhat I often. PS Turkey baster a few times per year
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These see a lot more idle time than your typical truck with a PSD. Wonder if that is part of the problem?


Yes idle time is a problem, and the emissions equipment makes it worse (this truck does not apply). Ambulances have a high idle function built in with the parking brake. That is much better for the engine than low speed idle.

Lots of idle time usually results in high valve train wear. The lifters were tired on this engine but rocker arms did not look bad. Cylinders themselves were in great shape for the hours.

What’s the maintenance schedule (Oil, coolant, ATF, PS fluid) on these trucks with all the idle hours?


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Re: More 6.7 PSD engine repairs [Re: super20dan] #5358673 02/24/20 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by super20dan
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by dogememe
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Might be time to switch to gas power.

This. Fuel economy will be awful in something so heavy but it'll be far cheaper to keep a gasser on the road.
Ford PSDs should be banned from the public sector. What a waste!

I agree-how could they possiably be given ambulance contracts again after the 6.0 and 6.4 fiasco


It should be pretty obvious...


COST. Most contracts go to the lowest bidder. Ford sells a lot of trucks to fleets, so their prices can be even lower. Like mattd stated, the cost of a new ambulance can be upwards of $300,000. Most of the municipalities I work with have very tight budgets.


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