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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: alarmguy] #5356385 02/21/20 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
Just an FYI for everyone.

An HOA can not restrict putting an antenna up to receive free over the air TV signals. So if your a fighter against the ignorance of an HOA, the Federal Government & FCC is on your side. Most likely that HOA rule is out of ignorance on the part of the HOA. (or they know, legally they can not restrict but no one questions it)
Actually you can mount a mast as high as 12 feet if needed without restriction.

Satellite dishes are a little different since that is a pay service I guess. With that said, an HOA can not restrict a satellite dish smaller then 1 meter. (approx 3 feet)

https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-reception-devices-rule

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The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

....... A: The rule prohibits restrictions that impair a person's ability to install, maintain, or use an antenna covered by the rule. The rule applies to state or local laws or regulations, including zoning, land-use or building regulations, private covenants, homeowners' association rules, condominium or cooperative association restrictions, lease restrictions, or similar restrictions on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has an ownership or leasehold interest in the property. A restriction impairs if it: (1) unreasonably delays or prevents use of; (2) unreasonably increases the cost of; or (3) precludes a person from receiving or transmitting an acceptable quality signal from an antenna covered under the rule.......


>>> ....... Q: Whose antenna restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule applies to restrictions imposed by local governments, including zoning, land-use or building regulations; by homeowner, townhome, condominium or cooperative association rules, including deed restrictions, covenants, by-laws and similar restrictions; and by manufactured housing (mobile home) park owners and landlords, including lease restrictions. The rule only applies to restrictions on property where the viewer has an ownership or leasehold interest and exclusive use or control.<<<<< .......

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They do put restrictions on the size of the antenna. To be honest-if you are in the range specified by the antenna pictured I posted-I don't know why you would want some of these old school yagi antennas.

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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: BAJA_05] #5357119 02/22/20 09:05 AM
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Im not so sure of that ^^^ Restrictions on dish size, FCC seems to have left out a size for a OTA antenna as an HOA can not prevent someone from receiving OTA signals, except to add it might be an issue if a mast needs to be more then 12 feet high! That is amazing! *L*

Anyway, I'm not interested enough to read anymore into it, I have mine on in my attic, but for anyone that does, I provided the FCC link in the previous posts, much info online too. But without question if you use a style like you have, you can mount it right at the top of your home and no HOA can prevent you from doing so and AGAIN, I am not in anyway saying that is a bad idea.

You mention "old" school yogi antennas. Much information online on antenna size and frequencies to capture by design and antenna size, this can be done in a passive more reliable way instead of using a powered antenna but have no problem with those that use them, its whatever floats our boat if we can receive all the available channels from all the towers shown on the FCC charts carefree year in and year out. Some stations do broadcast in the upper VHF range but granted most in the UHF. Anyway, whatever ... to others reading this thread, simply google thing like TV antenna aiming.


For me, I am set for life (hopefully a long one) using the antenna I posted about, mounted in my attic, feeding the cable system throughout the house and getting every channel on the FCC broadcast tower list and separate antenna aiming sites.

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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: BAJA_05] #5357125 02/22/20 09:15 AM
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^^^ For those who wish to know which TV stations they will receive ^^^ Here is the government website, paid for out of your weekly income via the taxes you pay, so you might as well use it, it will tell you based on location what stations you can receive.
https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

Also, again, google TV antenna aiming MANY good sites to learn more.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

I think this is one of the best - http://dennysantennaservice.com/tv-antenna-aiming.html Very good site, with REAL testing.

Dont miss this part of the site - http://dennysantennaservice.com/best-tv-antenna.html

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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: BAJA_05] #5357128 02/22/20 09:20 AM
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Antenna tip : Use thicker rg6 coaxial cable between antenna and tv. Most come with crappy thin stuff if they do.


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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: alarmguy] #5358302 02/23/20 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
^^^ For those who wish to know which TV stations they will receive ^^^ Here is the government website, paid for out of your weekly income via the taxes you pay, so you might as well use it, it will tell you based on location what stations you can receive.
https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

Also, again, google TV antenna aiming MANY good sites to learn more.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

I think this is one of the best - http://dennysantennaservice.com/tv-antenna-aiming.html Very good site, with REAL testing.

Dont miss this part of the site - http://dennysantennaservice.com/best-tv-antenna.html


That number 10 antenna is absolute complete garbage. It has a plastic part that has been known to crack after several freeze/thaw cycles.

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This site is just such a blessing in soo many ways with the members and there feedback/knowledge. One of the best choices I ever made in my life was joining this site overall. Update -- purchased yesterday a VHF/UHF Yagi Outdoor Antenna (HDXB91X). Should receive it some time this week and go from there.

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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: CKN] #5358640 02/24/20 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CKN
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^^^ For those who wish to know which TV stations they will receive ^^^ Here is the government website, paid for out of your weekly income via the taxes you pay, so you might as well use it, it will tell you based on location what stations you can receive.
https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

Also, again, google TV antenna aiming MANY good sites to learn more.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

I think this is one of the best - http://dennysantennaservice.com/tv-antenna-aiming.html Very good site, with REAL testing.

Dont miss this part of the site - http://dennysantennaservice.com/best-tv-antenna.html


That number 10 antenna is absolute complete garbage. It has a plastic part that has been known to crack after several freeze/thaw cycles.


As noted in the test on #10 the rotator also broke while they were testing. Then again, who would pick a 10th place antenna ... ?
Anyway, I agree, that goes for all those "compact" designs. Not that they do not have a place for people that do not have any room to mount a full size antenna.
But again, there is no replacement for displacement, no different then a vehicle engine.

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No VHF low signals were tested. The lowest station in the test was RF channel 7.

Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: alarmguy] #5358945 02/24/20 01:42 PM
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^^^ For those who wish to know which TV stations they will receive ^^^ Here is the government website, paid for out of your weekly income via the taxes you pay, so you might as well use it, it will tell you based on location what stations you can receive.
https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

Also, again, google TV antenna aiming MANY good sites to learn more.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html

I think this is one of the best - http://dennysantennaservice.com/tv-antenna-aiming.html Very good site, with REAL testing.

Dont miss this part of the site - http://dennysantennaservice.com/best-tv-antenna.html


That number 10 antenna is absolute complete garbage. It has a plastic part that has been known to crack after several freeze/thaw cycles.


As noted in the test on #10 the rotator also broke while they were testing. Then again, who would pick a 10th place antenna ... ?
Anyway, I agree, that goes for all those "compact" designs. Not that they do not have a place for people that do not have any room to mount a full size antenna.
But again, there is no replacement for displacement, no different then a vehicle engine.


You do realize that if you are less than 50 miles from the transmitters a large antenna is an eyesore and overkill.....don't you? Assuming flat terrain.

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^^ large is relative as too what some call large, overkill for 50 miles? No, more so if installed in an attic.
Again, I’m not sure what size your are talking about but I provided the links in this thread of the two that I installed both attic installations, the one in my home feeds 6 TVs through the entire cable network and distribution system of my home (ON-Q by Legrand).
I do have a $15 RCA powered boaster at the distribution block in the ON Q panel connected from the antenna down lead and connected to the distribution block.
I had one weak channel (Fox) that was roughly 77%, all others were 90 to 100, the boaster brought everything to at or around 100.
It’s been up and approx 10 years so far completely reliable.

I do agree a large antenna on a roof can look unsightly, again depending on what is considered large and why the two I installed are in attics which that in itself should be taken into account as an attic can diminish signal and if you have the room it’s cheaper now to go the largest reasonable instead of wasting time and money down the road.

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Here are photos of my set up as posted in the other thread on this subject

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-cord-cutting-costs-going-up#Post5359130


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Re: What are people using now for outdoor antennas? [Re: alarmguy] #5368624 03/06/20 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
Here are photos of my set up as posted in the other thread on this subject

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-cord-cutting-costs-going-up#Post5359130

I like the setup in your trussed attic. Must have been a bear to getting it aimed being suspended like that.


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I’m not sure if the OP has a clustered TV station antenna farm … but since I did it was simple to use a small Lava directional … clear picture from 70 miles to my camp … and great for FM radio.
(made my own for AM radio)

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Originally Posted by BAJA_05
My $30.00 cheap antenna I have on the pre existing DirecTV bracket on the roof died out on me yesterday after a good 5 years. Looking to replace with a HD antenna and would like some feedback from the knowledgeable folks here please on what use are using and price wise. My old antenna is on a 1 inch round aluminum pole that is 8 feet high that I cut from work scrap. Just gonna remove the old antenna & replace with a new one on that pole.



Thanks, Dale


I have been using one of these for about 5 years. It works excellent.

http://dennysantennaservice.com/ez_hd_tv_Antenna.html


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