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Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] #5355746 02/20/20 05:10 PM
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I hear those that are against using 5w30 state that newer Fords have tighter clearances. But then they never advise what the old/new clearance difference are. I do not know much of clearances but would be most interesting to find out.

(1.) Is it verifiable that ford clearances have changed/tightened ( in particular ford 5.0 2015+ ).

(2.) Is thinner oil 5w20 required for tighter clearances so the oil can get in between better and pump up a better hydrodynamic wedge?

I still suspect its all mostly just for CAFE but would like to hear from anyone with engine building experience/knowledge of the specs on the items above.

regards,

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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355762 02/20/20 05:19 PM
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The now obsolete 4.6 V8 would last hundreds of thousands of miles using bulk 5W20 dinosaur oil.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: skyactiv] #5355770 02/20/20 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skyactiv
The now obsolete 4.6 V8 would last hundreds of thousands of miles using bulk 5W20 dinosaur oil.

And would do the same running 10w30.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Blkstanger] #5355806 02/20/20 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Blkstanger
Originally Posted by skyactiv
The now obsolete 4.6 V8 would last hundreds of thousands of miles using bulk 5W20 dinosaur oil.

And would do the same running 10w30.


Or baby oil for that matter.... what a beast of an engine (maybe not power wise...).

I even ran 15w40 in a couple f-150’s for a few OCI.

Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Blkstanger] #5355807 02/20/20 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Blkstanger
Originally Posted by skyactiv
The now obsolete 4.6 V8 would last hundreds of thousands of miles using bulk 5W20 dinosaur oil.

And would do the same running 10w30.


5W-30

Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355817 02/20/20 06:04 PM
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the coyote is a very high revving motor, truth be told the tolerances are probably on the loose side. In the Mustang the manual specifically states using 5w50 for "track use" so a "thicker" oil will do no harm.

Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355820 02/20/20 06:11 PM
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If a little thicker oil couldn't get through engine clearances no engine would ever survive a winter.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: hatt] #5355827 02/20/20 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hatt
If a little thicker oil couldn't get through engine clearances no engine would ever survive a winter.



True true indeed hatt....


I think it's just fine to run a 0w16, 0w20, 5w20 in vehicles meant to run that in them...

I would also say that the VQ motor that specd a 5w30 in my generation of VQ then changed to a 0w20 was and is a bit peculiar... And if I owned a newer VQ motor and I was driving it kind of hard a good bit of the time... I'd run a 5w30 in say a 2017, 2018 etc Maxima with a VQ 3.5 motor in it.... But if one typically is doddling around in that same car same VQ motor in it... A 0w20 would be just fine I'd bet too.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355830 02/20/20 06:21 PM
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Can't be a clearance issue. Remember when FORD back spec'd to 5W20 from 5W30? I think it was the 4.6. It's strictly for CAFE.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355839 02/20/20 06:31 PM
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I run 5W-20 in my Ford and have done it with other Ford trucks for several years without any problems at all.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355841 02/20/20 06:32 PM
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I run 5W-20 in my Ford and have done it with other Ford trucks for several years without any problems at all.


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: oldhp] #5355870 02/20/20 07:15 PM
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My daughters 2002 3.0 vulcan was back speced to 5w20. it has been on a steady diet of 5w30 Citgo for 65 000 miles since we acquired it with 50 k on it in 2008 and our freestyle has run a 100 k on 5w30


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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355871 02/20/20 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Fallguy


I still suspect its all mostly just for CAFE but would like to hear from anyone with engine building experience/knowledge of the specs on the items above.

regards,


why is this discussion still going on? seriously, ford switch to 20 weight oils 20 years ago.

sure, better fuel economy was certainly a factor in the decision. So what?

Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: JOD] #5355889 02/20/20 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JOD


why is this discussion still going on? seriously, ford switch to 20 weight oils 20 years ago.






Ford and GM switched. I just didn't! grin2

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Re: Ford F150 2015+ 5.0 Actually Have Tighter Clearances [or 5w20 Just for CAFE? ] [Re: Fallguy] #5355892 02/20/20 07:36 PM
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I first used M1 5-20 in 1978 because it performed so well compared to 10-40. For the last 3 Fords I have owned (total of 512K) I have used M1 20 wt oils with very good results.


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