Throttle sticking and scary

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It was before start button when Toyota first released the "floor mat" was the problem. Several people were killed if I remember correctly. And yes she was on the phone with 911 who called me and police was trying to get her to throw it in neutral. Got to be careful with shutting off key which I don't recommend since it could go all the way and lock wheel especially since car is wide open. No one knows why it is wide open and a risk I will not recommend although it is slim. I had her put in neutral and pump brakes slowly which have no vacuum so firm push and release is needed so brakes don't over heat. Like I said a call I won't forget.
 
Originally Posted by tiger862
It was before start button when Toyota first released the "floor mat" was the problem. Several people were killed if I remember correctly. And yes she was on the phone with 911 who called me and police was trying to get her to throw it in neutral. Got to be careful with shutting off key which I don't recommend since it could go all the way and lock wheel especially since car is wide open. No one knows why it is wide open and a risk I will not recommend although it is slim. I had her put in neutral and pump brakes slowly which have no vacuum so firm push and release is needed so brakes don't over heat. Like I said a call I won't forget.


I was listening to a 911 dispatcher recording of a cop who's throttle stuck in their car (Lexus I think) and they ended up running out of space. The stuff the dispatchers have to hear takes a lot of mind power to not to crazy.
 
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by tiger862
It was before start button when Toyota first released the "floor mat" was the problem. Several people were killed if I remember correctly. And yes she was on the phone with 911 who called me and police was trying to get her to throw it in neutral. Got to be careful with shutting off key which I don't recommend since it could go all the way and lock wheel especially since car is wide open. No one knows why it is wide open and a risk I will not recommend although it is slim. I had her put in neutral and pump brakes slowly which have no vacuum so firm push and release is needed so brakes don't over heat. Like I said a call I won't forget.


I was listening to a 911 dispatcher recording of a cop who's throttle stuck in their car (Lexus I think) and they ended up running out of space. The stuff the dispatchers have to hear takes a lot of mind power to not to crazy.

Toyota must have been in the bed with regulator cause the case you talked about was the first if I remember correctly that they paid out. Every case seemed to be thrown out as customer fault. There was even a guy in jail for killing people he hit with his wife with him and her stating that he directed everyone lay on floor cause brake or accelerator wasn't working. Car hit another one and killed a couple of people. Scary times for Toyota.
 
Originally Posted by atikovi
You'd think with the millions of cars having electronic throttles for over 30 years now, runaway engines would be more common. But I understand there are redundant safety systems built in to make that nearly impossible.

There were a rash of problems years ago. You know the unintended acceleration deal. I think it was more of a remote control deal, since many new computerized cars have On Star like systems, and if those systems access similar that scan tools do '
then its easy for remote control. They can remotely open your doors so?
 
Well it wasn't the floor mat. It did it twice this morning on the way to work while I was slowing down for stops. I couldn't visibly see anything wrong with the throttle cable but it is sorta loose and the pedal is too. I'll buy a new cable now.
 
Originally Posted by tiger862
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Talk to a toyota dealer, they have tons of experience in the field for sticking throttles. Dont just settle for a new set of floor mats.

I got the pleasure of talking to a lady that her Camry took off on interstate. Not fun trying to calm someone down on the phone going 100 mph with police escort. After we got car she refused any work and only wanted a new one.


With all due respect, how hard is it to put a vehicle in neutral. IMO, that should be the only option.
 
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by tiger862
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Talk to a toyota dealer, they have tons of experience in the field for sticking throttles. Dont just settle for a new set of floor mats.

I got the pleasure of talking to a lady that her Camry took off on interstate. Not fun trying to calm someone down on the phone going 100 mph with police escort. After we got car she refused any work and only wanted a new one.


With all due respect, how hard is it to put a vehicle in neutral. IMO, that should be the only option.

Try telling that to a person who is panicking. Nothing makes since to them except that this is the day that they will die. Tell everyone that I love them and am sorry. Something along those lines. I have heard that saying to much coming up on accidents.
 
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by tiger862
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Talk to a toyota dealer, they have tons of experience in the field for sticking throttles. Dont just settle for a new set of floor mats.

I got the pleasure of talking to a lady that her Camry took off on interstate. Not fun trying to calm someone down on the phone going 100 mph with police escort. After we got car she refused any work and only wanted a new one.


With all due respect, how hard is it to put a vehicle in neutral. IMO, that should be the only option.

That's what you get when you give DL's to everybody.
 
Using the brakes to make a full stop is the obvious way out of that situation. Postmortem it is found that many drivers were pressing the gas the whole time though they thought it was the brake. Many newer cars have software that cuts off the fuel injectors if the gas and brake pedals are active at the same time.
 
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Originally Posted by tiger862
Toyota must have been in the bed with regulator cause the case you talked about was the first if I remember correctly that they paid out. Every case seemed to be thrown out as customer fault. There was even a guy in jail for killing people he hit with his wife with him and her stating that he directed everyone lay on floor cause brake or accelerator wasn't working. Car hit another one and killed a couple of people. Scary times for Toyota.


Yea I think there was a case in Wisconsin where a guy was put in jail because of the stuck accelerator on his Camry. He was released a few years later after the Toyota lawsuit but that's just garbage.

Originally Posted by zorobabel
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino

With all due respect, how hard is it to put a vehicle in neutral. IMO, that should be the only option.

That's what you get when you give DL's to everybody.


I'm confident enough to say that us BITOG forum goers has more car mechanical knowledge than the general public (otherwise why else would we be on a forum based around motor oils?) But to somebody who only uses Park-Reverse-Drive on their car, I can see where the panic starts, everything is going 110% The person doesn't care about putting the car in neutral, they just want the brake pedal to work like the other 99.99% of the times they used it to stop.
 
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I do agree with you thinking here Pew.... People on here are more mechanically inclined vs the general public... And probably so by a good margin I'd bet.

I do think automatic transmission vehicles all have N in them..


I had a gas pedal accelerator stick one time... It was in fact the floor mat... Thank goodness I did not get too cranked up... And thank goodness I have 35 inch long ATMs to be able to get it straightened out.
 
NEW DEVELOPMENT TODAY:

I noticed this "throttle" issue is happening when the truck is in fourth gear...it will not downshift out of fourth gear which is why i feel the jerk when it is forced out. It doesn't do this in any other gear up or down shift only the last gear.

Could this be a downshift solenoid on its way out?
 
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by tiger862
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Talk to a toyota dealer, they have tons of experience in the field for sticking throttles. Dont just settle for a new set of floor mats.

I got the pleasure of talking to a lady that her Camry took off on interstate. Not fun trying to calm someone down on the phone going 100 mph with police escort. After we got car she refused any work and only wanted a new one.


With all due respect, how hard is it to put a vehicle in neutral. IMO, that should be the only option.

In the old non computer control of every aspect of the vehicle power train, steering, braking systems, and engine start stop etc. etc. it was easy to push on the brake, shift to neutral or park, but now a computer controls it all, and old school mechanical s don't apply. Now when you select neutral the computer decides if that is okay or not. If you think that is bad wait till cars are all fully autonomous, then all you can do is hope the window can be opened so you can jump out.
 
New motorcraft TPS probably still a good idea anyway. I don't know if fords are like Chrysler but I used a Delphi unit in my 04 Grand Cherokee and it lasted a good three months. New Mopar unit is problem free.
 
New Motorcraft tps arrived yesterday from rock auto. Installed and did not have an issue.

I do believe as it was posted earlier, that the converter isn't unlocking in 5th gear. I ordered a new torque converter and it will arrive Monday afternoon and I will take the truck to my mechanic and let him do the deed. If it is in fact the TCC solenoid, I am still going to have the new tc installed because I have been experiencing converter slip/chatter for awhile. Dropping the pan and changing the filter and doing a full fluid change over time helped the chatter, but did not fix.
 
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Throttle applied lightly (intentionally or not) the converter lock engages.

When the TPS senses the throttle returned to idle, the converter unlocks and transmission shifts down through the gears. Driver not pressing the gas signals an intent to slow down, and drag from spinning the engine becomes a good thing.

If throttle cable sticks that doesn't happen-- the truck thinks you still want to go, and forcing it to stop using the brakes will not be smooth.
 
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