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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5346455 02/10/20 06:07 PM
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SubLGT is showing USA bias but I think that edyvw is referring to certain winter tires called (depending on market/continent): performance or central Eurpean winter.
Goodyear Ultragrip (many numbers), Dunlop Wintersport M2 (and others) were the kings.

I was not following Scandinavian aka studless winter tires back then and I think it is where Nokian Hakkapellitta were shining bright until they were caught cheating with special formula tires (supposedly not only them),

I think that since introduction Xi3 (wow it is 8 years apo, time flies!) Nokian has not delivered. Maybe except studded tires. It is even more pronounced in the USA where Nokian charges super premium price while in Europe they are just below top tier pricing wise.

The good news for the customer is more selection from excellent choices.

Krzyś

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Back in Oct 2018 Michelin announced that they were designing a new winter tire for the North American market specifically, to be manufactured at their plant in Nova Scotia. I have not seen any further news about this new "North American winter tire". Perhaps this idea has been abandoned, and the Nova Scotia plant manufactures the X-Ice Snow. ??

https://www.rubbernews.com/article/...scotia-plant-ahead-of-winter-tire-launch

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....GRANTON, Nova Scotia—Michelin North America (Canada) Inc. is budgeting $16 million in investments at its Granton plant to support the 2020 launch of a winter tire designed specifically for the North American market.

...The new tire will build on the success of the Latitude X-Ice XI2 winter tires built at the Granton plant for Canadian and U.S. markets.



I have not yet seen any specific information about availability of the X-Ice Snow in the North American market. For sure, it will be available in Northern Europe and Russia. I assume it will also be available in North America.

Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: krzyss] #5346782 02/11/20 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by krzyss
SubLGT is showing USA bias but I think that edyvw is referring to certain winter tires called (depending on market/continent): performance or central Eurpean winter.
Goodyear Ultragrip (many numbers), Dunlop Wintersport M2 (and others) were the kings.

I was not following Scandinavian aka studless winter tires back then and I think it is where Nokian Hakkapellitta were shining bright until they were caught cheating with special formula tires (supposedly not only them),

I think that since introduction Xi3 (wow it is 8 years apo, time flies!) Nokian has not delivered. Maybe except studded tires. It is even more pronounced in the USA where Nokian charges super premium price while in Europe they are just below top tier pricing wise.

The good news for the customer is more selection from excellent choices.

Krzyś

There were tires manufactured for northern Europe and especially Russian market always, but still largest manufacturers, Good Year, Continental, Dunlop etc. were leading the pack. Tires like Good Year Ultra Grip 4, 5, 6, 7, Continental TS series, Dunlop WIntersport were still most desirable tires even in those areas.
Many second tier tires are actually manufactured for Norther Europe and Russia and then rest of Europe like Sava Eskimo S2 and 3, Kleber, Barum etc. Those tires are usually sold as one model on all markets and are more aggressive. From my experience there, so called Central European winter tires were no worse in snow and ice than those made for Northern Europe and Russia.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5346784 02/11/20 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SubLGT
Back in Oct 2018 Michelin announced that they were designing a new winter tire for the North American market specifically, to be manufactured at their plant in Nova Scotia. I have not seen any further news about this new "North American winter tire". Perhaps this idea has been abandoned, and the Nova Scotia plant manufactures the X-Ice Snow. ??

https://www.rubbernews.com/article/...scotia-plant-ahead-of-winter-tire-launch

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....GRANTON, Nova Scotia—Michelin North America (Canada) Inc. is budgeting $16 million in investments at its Granton plant to support the 2020 launch of a winter tire designed specifically for the North American market.

...The new tire will build on the success of the Latitude X-Ice XI2 winter tires built at the Granton plant for Canadian and U.S. markets.



I have not yet seen any specific information about availability of the X-Ice Snow in the North American market. For sure, it will be available in Northern Europe and Russia. I assume it will also be available in North America.

It does not make sense, especially since Continental is obviously stepping up game on NA market.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5350220 02/14/20 08:02 PM
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Does anyone know if the SUV version will be identical to the passenger version or will they be there be differences? Also does anyone know what sizes will be available when it launches? I’m guessing Michelin would’ve announced this tire at the Detroit auto show this winter if they have not moved it to the summer. I wonder if they will announce it in June but it would totally be an off-season tire at that time of year.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: FordFocus] #5350242 02/14/20 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FordFocus
Does anyone know if the SUV version will be identical to the passenger version or will they be there be differences? Also does anyone know what sizes will be available when it launches? I’m guessing Michelin would’ve announced this tire at the Detroit auto show this winter if they have not moved it to the summer. I wonder if they will announce it in June but it would totally be an off-season tire at that time of year.


IIRC the normal procedure is:produce it in spring/summer for the winter season.

Also there is always some tread differences between sizes.. esp width.

With the current naming scheme who knows..


They could have called the xice xi2 latitude xice xi3 suv or similar.
it was odd they used different numbering on the generations for passenger vs truck models.

from memory the generations:
passenger xice truck nothing?
passenger xice xi2 truck xice latitude
passenger xice xi3 truck xice xi2 latitude.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: FordFocus] #5350784 02/15/20 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FordFocus
Does anyone know if the SUV version will be identical to the passenger version or will they be there be differences? Also does anyone know what sizes will be available when it launches? I’m guessing Michelin would’ve announced this tire at the Detroit auto show this winter if they have not moved it to the summer. I wonder if they will announce it in June but it would totally be an off-season tire at that time of year.

It would not be surprising if Michelin just introduces tire without too much advertising. They will still fly off the shelf.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5350845 02/15/20 02:46 PM
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Also does anyone know what sizes will be available when it launches?


From 175/70 R14 up to 285/45 R22.

Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5351682 02/16/20 12:23 PM
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Will be looking particularly for 215/60R6 and 255/70R16 And read this
“ the X-Ice Snow tire range will be a total of 82 sizes for 14-22 inch rims. In 2021, the manufacturer will add another 41 dimensions”.
So just wondering what sizes will be in the first batch


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: FordFocus] #5351856 02/16/20 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FordFocus
....So just wondering what sizes will be in the first batch


https://www.michelinman.com/contact-us.html

Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5354824 02/19/20 07:53 PM
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Information is still just trickling out to the public. Michelin has not yet posted a press release about the X-Ice Snow at their website. Not sure why Michelin is doing a semi-stealthy introduction of a new tire.

Tire Review in the UK has a poorly written, confusing article about the Snow. No proof reading at TR-UK apparently.
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-X-Ice-Snow-Launched.htm

Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: krzyss] #5354833 02/19/20 07:59 PM
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...I think that since introduction Xi3 (wow it is 8 years apo, time flies!) Nokian has not delivered. Maybe except studded tires.......Krzyś


Yes, introduced January 2012.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2506308/New_Michelin_X-Ice_Xi3

Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5355008 02/20/20 12:26 AM
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Information is still just trickling out to the public. Michelin has not yet posted a press release about the X-Ice Snow at their website. Not sure why Michelin is doing a semi-stealthy introduction of a new tire.

Tire Review in the UK has a poorly written, confusing article about the Snow. No proof reading at TR-UK apparently.
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-X-Ice-Snow-Launched.htm


The reason why Michelin does not have to advertise is their emphasis on performance when worn out. They are absolute king in retaining performance, and that shows in sales.
Person who had X-Ice3 will go next year to buy X-Ice3, and will see new tire and say: oh great.


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Re: Michelin Introduces New "X-Ice Snow" [Re: SubLGT] #5365332 03/02/20 02:43 PM
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Michelin introduces the X-Ice Snow to the North American market:

https://www.moderntiredealer.com/ne...inter-tire-line-with-new-x-ice-snow-tire

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....Introduced late last week during a ride-and-drive event near Montreal, Quebec, the Michelin X-Ice Snow targets passenger cars, SUVs and CUVs and will be available this coming fall in 82 T- and H-rated sizes, ranging from 14 inches to 22 inches in diameter. Forty-one more sizes will be added in 2021...

Features include:

...Next-generation, V-shaped tread design “providing 100% use of the (tire’s) contact patch for optimal grip performance on snow and ice and for exceptional slush performance,” according to Michelin officials, who add that the design “maintains its shape even when worn to continue providing grip in winter conditions;”

...Michelin’s proprietary Flex-Ice 2.0 tread compound, “a full silica-based compound to maintain flexibility in severe cold climate conditions;”

...Michelin’s EverGrip technologies, which boast a rigid polymer for improved grip on both snow and ice for the duration of the tire’s life, and;

...Two types of full-depth, interlocking 3D sipes “for an increased claw effect on snow and ice and for long-lasting biting edges.”

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