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The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! #5349375 02/13/20 08:34 PM
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Well I hate to say it but I’ve witnessed the Boogieman and caught his tail on camera. Dumping the factory fill on my 2019 Honda Monkey at 500 miles when something dropped out of the crankcase.

Obviously a aluminum chip from a machining process. This engine only had a centrifugal oil filter that is supposed to be serviced every 3-5k miles ( can’t remember)

But maybe this is why people like dropping that factory fill a little early! cool

Attached is a photo of said chip and the link is a video of the first oil drain showing it comes out of the crankcase. Don’t ask why I was filming. I don’t even know...

And before someone asks, no it’s not a valve spring retainer.

Last edit : no I’m not concerned, the engine runs like a champ WOT for about 1000 miles now.

https://youtu.be/ykpHWu330OY

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What is a Honda Monkey?


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It probably just sat in the pan never making it past the pick up screen.

Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: PimTac] #5349385 02/13/20 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
What is a Honda Monkey?

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Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5349386 02/13/20 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
It probably just sat in the pan never making it past the pick up screen.



I agree, it was shocking, I didn’t expect to find something like that in my little Honda, but with anything mass produced, things will get missed.


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Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: asleepz] #5349387 02/13/20 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by asleepz
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
It probably just sat in the pan never making it past the pick up screen.



I agree, it was shocking, I didn’t expect to find something like that in my little Honda, but with anything mass produced, things will get missed.

Yeah, no matter how much assembly lines try to avoid it, something is bound to get past.. it's just a numbers thing. You might consider at least bringing it to the dealership attention in the off chance something develops later on.. but I'd be surprised if it did.

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Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: asleepz] #5349402 02/13/20 08:51 PM
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I never let my first change go that far just because what you found is not that unusual. After reading an article years ago by a top engine builder that said 90% of the engine breakin happens in the first 50 miles I started dumping the factory fill just after that. I try and make that first change with an oil that has high zinc and a new filter just incase the original had something in it that held the bypass open.

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Well....its' probably not going to make it through the oil pickup screen, or the filter...

Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: asleepz] #5349414 02/13/20 09:06 PM
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Is it ferrous? Looking at your video, it seems it falls out almost immediately. I suspect it to be some flash where the drain bolt threads were cut and sitting on top of the bolt till you removed it, but who knows. I am a fan of early oil dumps.


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The first time I changed the oil filter on my Mazda, I found an irregular metal sliver of roughly that size stuck part-way through one of the filter's inlet holes. It probably had no adverse effect, other than possibly blocking the anti-drainback valve open.


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Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5349417 02/13/20 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
It probably just sat in the pan never making it past the pick up screen.


This.

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How are those Monkeys to ride? I've always wanted a Z50 but the price of those Monkeys is STEEP for what they are.


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Re: The Factory Fill Boogieman in the Flesh! [Re: spasm3] #5349448 02/13/20 10:09 PM
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How are those Monkeys to ride? I've always wanted a Z50 but the price of those Monkeys is STEEP for what they are.


They’re a blast as long as you don’t want to go over 60mph.

100mpg regularly running WOT.

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Is it ferrous? Looking at your video, it seems it falls out almost immediately. I suspect it to be some flash where the drain bolt threads were cut and sitting on top of the bolt till you removed it, but who knows. I am a fan of early oil dumps.


The chip looks too big to be from a threading process. It looks closer to like when they machined the case halves flat.


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Originally Posted by asleepz
Originally Posted by maxdustington
How are those Monkeys to ride? I've always wanted a Z50 but the price of those Monkeys is STEEP for what they are.


They’re a blast as long as you don’t want to go over 60mph.

100mpg regularly running WOT.

Perfect for just tooling around town... looks like a lot of fun! 🤘

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Aren't the Honda Monkeys of these days made in China? I remember the old ones, they were bulletproof.....and only a little slower than the 2-stroke Suzuki PV (which were so easy to mod).....

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