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Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem #5348401 02/12/20 07:06 PM
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Why Not All Transportation Can Go Electric Today - Energy Density
Or Alternate
Why we haven't seen the Tesla Class 8 Tractor on the road yet...and may be waiting a long time to see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL9MasBFvM


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Re: Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem [Re: Danno] #5348416 02/12/20 07:19 PM
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Re: Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem [Re: wemay] #5348470 02/12/20 08:08 PM
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2 different videos, but they look alike.

What tune was that you were whistling?

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Re: Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem [Re: Danno] #5348496 02/12/20 08:43 PM
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Depends on what you use the vehicle and battery for, really. In commercial fleet not all vehicles need the super big energy capacity and many of them would need the instant torque / power instead. You also don't need all the space of the engine and emission and exhaust system (assuming your EV power train is the same size as the typical transmission).

I'd actually like to see battery swap for these commercial applications, in a standardized way that you can pit stop replace individual cell instead of the whole pack. Imagine if you can pull out 10 packs that weight 50lb each in 5 mins, and let the gas station / truck stop scan its internal state to determine how much energy you spend and charge you accordingly, you will be able to go back on the road very fast just like a diesel or gasoline truck topping off a half empty fuel tank, and not worry about throwing away the remaining charge that you haven't used. Your truck also doesn't need to be build with a big battery, and you only need to worry about the cost of the electricity and the battery "deposit" like a propane tank exchange. This also permanently solved our duck curve problem in the grid as well, and provide a grid stability backup storage, and resolve the used battery recycle problem (because you can sell the worn out battery to other application like lawn mower, job site power, disaster recovery need, remote power storage for micro grid like solar panel on an island). The key is standardization, and if they can get that problem solved it will be no problem.

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Re: Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem [Re: Danno] #5348524 02/12/20 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno


2 different videos, but they look alike.

What tune was that you were whistling?

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Re: Engineering Explained video:The Truth About Electric Cars Biggest Problem [Re: PandaBear] #5348749 02/13/20 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PandaBear
Depends on what you use the vehicle and battery for, really. In commercial fleet not all vehicles need the super big energy capacity and many of them would need the instant torque / power instead. You also don't need all the space of the engine and emission and exhaust system (assuming your EV power train is the same size as the typical transmission).

I'd actually like to see battery swap for these commercial applications, in a standardized way that you can pit stop replace individual cell instead of the whole pack. Imagine if you can pull out 10 packs that weight 50lb each in 5 mins, and let the gas station / truck stop scan its internal state to determine how much energy you spend and charge you accordingly, you will be able to go back on the road very fast just like a diesel or gasoline truck topping off a half empty fuel tank, and not worry about throwing away the remaining charge that you haven't used. Your truck also doesn't need to be build with a big battery, and you only need to worry about the cost of the electricity and the battery "deposit" like a propane tank exchange. This also permanently solved our duck curve problem in the grid as well, and provide a grid stability backup storage, and resolve the used battery recycle problem (because you can sell the worn out battery to other application like lawn mower, job site power, disaster recovery need, remote power storage for micro grid like solar panel on an island). The key is standardization, and if they can get that problem solved it will be no problem.


No. It's not going to happen. Engineering Explained nails it. From an economics perspective it won't happen unless the weight of batteries can be reduced by about 90 percent. As explained battery weight limits the load that can be carried which reduces revenue.

No 1: No OTR driver, especially female, is going to shovel around 50lb battery packs. .
No 2: Duck curve problem is being solved as is with better inter-connectivity, grid storage and peaker plants.
No 3: The frontal area of OTR trucks will not get smaller because the drivers still need the visibility and you still have to make them as aerodynamic as possible the the space for an engine is irrelevant. Emissions systems aren't all that heavy and take up space that's not going to disappear because the large frames are still needed to carry 80k lbs.


There will never be a BEV tractor-trailer for the same reasons for example there will never be a BEV train. Weight.


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Need to bring back the horse and buggy system. It's impossible to have anything better than that.

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