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Fram Ultra Bad? #5344504 02/08/20 10:30 AM
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Hi all,

Before X-mas I bought a 6 pack of Fram Ultra XG8A from Ebay for my 4.0 Jeep ($24.00 shipped!). Seemed like a great deal. These are the 15,000 mile filters. Just opened 1 up to fill with oil and it rattled. I can shake it and something is loose in the bottom of the can. The others don't rattle. Later I will saw it open to check it out. Installed one with Havoline oil, no leaks or noise. Wonder if anyone has had this experience. The knowledge on this site is incredible. Thanks.


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95 Jeep ZJ 4.0 5w30 Havoline Conv / Rislone ZDDP / XG8A
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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344521 02/08/20 10:45 AM
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Send it back to Fram for a replacement. If you saw it open you void your warranty.

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344525 02/08/20 10:47 AM
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Based on the description, reads like a compromised compression spring. Been at least one other similar anecdote posted here before. I would not use it. Return for replacement if possible.

Cause of other similar anecdote was claimed filter dropped at some point prior to use. To his knowledge, purchaser said otherwise.

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344529 02/08/20 10:53 AM
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This is an issue with them. loyalists try to sweep it under the rug. To me it’s just another oil filter. The element is heavy so it can knock the spring harder. It’s a lot heavier with the thick mesh. This is where a coil spring is better.

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344534 02/08/20 10:57 AM
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Send it in. They may send you extras for your troubles.


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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: Chris142] #5344536 02/08/20 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
Send it in. They may send you extras for your troubles.


Or perhaps tell you its a counterfeit.


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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344541 02/08/20 11:07 AM
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You still got 5 filters for under $5 each. Wow. I wouldn't complain about that one bit. Normally these 6 packs sell for $36-$40 on line.


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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5344547 02/08/20 11:14 AM
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Thank you all for the replies. Yeah I wont use it, but sending it to Fram is a good idea. The box has the Mileage minder thing stuck inside, filters don't look abused, boxes are shelf worn, counterfeit, that would be interesting.... Chris142, thanks for all the Jeep 4.0 info you post at BITOG and Jeep sites, helps me out alot. Take care guys, If I get a respond from Fram, I will post back. Ken


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17 Explorer 3.5 N/A 5w20 Napa syn / Napa Proformer
Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 69GTX] #5344558 02/08/20 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 69GTX
You still got 5 filters for under $5 each. Wow. I wouldn't complain about that one bit. Normally these 6 packs sell for $36-$40 on line.


Yes a decent deal, however these are NOS. New ones are 20,000 mile. I change filter every oil change for piece of mind so mileage capability is of no concern.


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15 Silverado 5.3 0w20 QSUD / PF63E
17 Explorer 3.5 N/A 5w20 Napa syn / Napa Proformer
Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5344584 02/08/20 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted by Chris142
Send it in. They may send you extras for your troubles.


Or perhaps tell you its a counterfeit.



Sounds possible.

Be interested in finding out if they are the real Frams.


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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344601 02/08/20 12:20 PM
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Not the anecdote I was thinking of/referencing earlier, another one with same filter, similar description linked. Topic XG8A is a relatively large filter application too.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4611938/1

Being more a believer in Accam's Razor and less in conspiracy theories and tin foil hats, similar anecdote added I'll stick with previous explanation, compromised compression spring.

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344604 02/08/20 12:23 PM
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While all filter brands can fail, the leaf spring is a deal breaker other than that is a great filter for the money.


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Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: Sayjac] #5344605 02/08/20 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sayjac
Not the anecdote I was thinking of/referencing earlier, but another one with same filter, same description linked. Topic XG8A is a relatively large filter application too.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4611938/1

Being more a believer in Accam's Razor and less in conspiracy theories and tin foil hats, similar anecdote added I'll stick with previous posit, compromised compression spring.


You mean Occam's Razor? Wait til you run into Bell's inequality. Shows that even Einstein could have been wrong although the basic premise of the EPR paradox may still stand in that it could still be considered incomplete.

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: Wolf359] #5344609 02/08/20 12:30 PM
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Yeah Occum's Razor, my bad. But you knew what I meant. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. As I always make a point to qualify where possible, more a believer in that than the alternative referenced.

Linked is the thread I first referenced. It got lock and the OP banned.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3000474/1

Re: Fram Ultra Bad? [Re: 762fermeandyou] #5344619 02/08/20 12:39 PM
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And people get so excited about cutting filters open after they've been in use ! If anyone bad is found, it's too late now !

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