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Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible #5343171 02/06/20 10:20 PM
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I just spent $30 a quart for Honda 3.1 ATF and later saw that Maxlife PDS claims they are compatible with Honda 3.X and Lifeguard 8.

I have succesfully used maxlife on Honda’s calling for Z1, DW-1, Toyota’s calling for T-IV, having said that.

I am starting to wonder what is going on in the ATF industry, either Ashland is spot on and OEM’s are just making it difficult for customers with OEM specific fluids or is Ashland misleading us with their universality?


One thing about the Honda 3.1 fluid, after 82k miles it was still nice and green, unlike the WS fluid which is cruddy looking at 30K.

Anyone try Maxlife ATF in the ZF9HP transmissions yet?

Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5343274 02/07/20 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Drew7a


Anyone try Maxlife ATF in the ZF9HP transmissions yet?


even I wouldn't do that sick

Valvoline MaxLife MV ATF is recommended for trannys that orginally specifies Z-1, DW-1, and ZF Lifegaurd 8 for example... nowhere does it say anything about Honda 3.1 or ZF LifeGuard 9...

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if I was going to cheap out on an out of warranty ZF9HP tranny - I would only run MaxLife with FM additives from LG to convert it to 'close enough' to OEM's requirement of highly modified FM's:
[ link to conversion chart ]


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5343276 02/07/20 01:26 AM
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there's only 1 Valvoline MaxLife ATF that I know exists

LINK HERE - from manufacturer

LINK HERE - PI sheet as of 10/21/2019

OP where's your source that says it's now good for Honda 3.x???


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: discountdon] #5343303 02/07/20 04:05 AM
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Actually discountdon it does claim Honda 3.1 on the datasheet in your link.

Valvoline’s disclaimer though is hidden in plain sight on their same datasheet.

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however, it should be noted that MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF is not an OEM licensed product. The respective vehicle manufacturers have neither evaluated nor endorsed MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF in these applications.

Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: wdn] #5343311 02/07/20 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wdn
Actually discountdon it does claim Honda 3.1 on the datasheet in your link.

Valvoline’s disclaimer though is hidden in plain sight on their same datasheet.

however, it should be noted that MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF is not an OEM licensed product. The respective vehicle manufacturers have neither evaluated nor endorsed MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF in these applications.


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5343344 02/07/20 06:00 AM
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IIRC the fine print says it can be used instead of Maalox and Pepto too. Run OE fluids.


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: wdn] #5343348 02/07/20 06:13 AM
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Does anyone know if there is a VOA on Lifeguard 8 or Honda 3.1 to see how it compares?

Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Trav] #5343358 02/07/20 06:30 AM
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[quote=Run OE fluids.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree that OE fluids are always the best.

As an example my 08 Honda specs Z1 and the manual clearly stated damage will occur if you use anything else. It always shifted rough, a few years later the dealer said there was a TSB and they drained the Z1 and replaced with DW-1 and the car shifted slightly better, even though it was originally designed for the Z1 they now recommended DW-1.

I DF the fluid every 20K with Dw-1, at 200k the car had a had a hard clunk when down shifting, I thought tranny was on it last leg, so I said what the heck and switched to Maxlife with LG red and car has never shifted so well.

I know this is anecdotal information and confirmation bias, but how can Honda just absolutely spec one fluid at the time of manufacture and then switch mid stream? Better engineering and design of DW-1? I know Honda does not make the ZF trans and they probably did not do much research on fluids and relied on ZF as Honda 3.1 and Lifeguard8 are identical.

I am however starting to doubt that maxlife is compatible with everything. crzy

Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5343367 02/07/20 06:42 AM
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I forgot to add I visited the Amsoil website to see if any of their fluids are "compatible" with Honda 3.1 and their online product application guide states: "No Amsoil Product Recommendation" .

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Originally Posted by Drew7a
As an example my 08 Honda specs Z1 and the manual clearly stated damage will occur if you use anything else. It always shifted rough, a few years later the dealer said there was a TSB and they drained the Z1 and replaced with DW-1 and the car shifted slightly better, even though it was originally designed for the Z1 they now recommended DW-1.

...but how can Honda just absolutely spec one fluid at the time of manufacture and then switch mid stream? Better engineering and design of DW-1?

Because Honda considers DW-1 to be an evolution of Z-1 fluid. Think of it as Z-1 v2. If I'm not mistaken, the formulation between the two, i.e. the additives they use, didn't change much, but the base oil changed from non-synthetic to synthetic.

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Originally Posted by Drew7a


I respectfully disagree that OE fluids are always the best.



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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5343503 02/07/20 09:29 AM
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Several of the ATFs claim they are compatible with a wide range of trans. Most important thing I have been told by trans re-builders is try to keep the VIS close to the factory spec. I use M1 ATF(2007 ) and M1 LV ATF(2017) and neither are spec'd for Ford trans, but the VIS is close and have had great results in both Fords.


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: Drew7a] #5344323 02/08/20 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Drew7a
I forgot to add I visited the Amsoil website to see if any of their fluids are "compatible" with Honda 3.1 and their online product application guide states: "No Amsoil Product Recommendation" .


Amsoil ATF ran well in the older (up to mid 2000's) Honda, Toyota and Subaru units as well as anything using a dex III spec fluid but today its different.
I have drained 100K Amsoil ATF out of a old Honda with over 100K on the fluid mixed driving too not just highway and it was still cherry red. Choosing the correct lubes is important and the decision to go with non OE spec lube should be taken seriously and researched thoroughly.

Just because Joe has run it for years and the product has a following doesn't mean diddly. if it works in X it may not work the same in Y.


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Re: Maxlife ATF now sates Honda 3.x compatible [Re: tig1] #5344388 02/08/20 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tig1
Several of the ATFs claim they are compatible with a wide range of trans. Most important thing I have been told by trans re-builders is try to keep the VIS close to the factory spec. I use M1 ATF(2007 ) and M1 LV ATF(2017) and neither are spec'd for Ford trans, but the VIS is close and have had great results in both Fords.


To counterpoint your statement, I also remember discussions here (Molakule involved) where it was questioned whether viscosity differences, within reason, were not as critical as suggested by some. I think (don't remember) that maybe the argument was about the multi vehicle fluids that have a viscosity in the middle (around 6) between the low viscosity and the older higher viscosities being o.k. in the low viscosity recommended camp. It was just anecdotal speculation, I think, but maybe Molakule will chime in.

For those of us where the OEM fluid costs upwards of $20+ per quart, these fluid wars are difficult. Even more so for those who can't diy. When I investigated service garage/dealer Hyundai tranny fluid change in my region, all 6 garages used either BG or Valvolene products instead of SP4 M, even during the warranty period. Go figure.

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I totally understand where you are coming from with this but is not as simple as just a viscosity issue there are many other considerations to be taken into account.
Anti wear additives and seal compatibility can in some cases play a greater role. I can only share my own experience but many vehicle manufacturers recommend synthetic fluids but are adamant about running a mineral based transmission fluid.

Seal compatibility has been an issue in the past with some fluids. The other point to consider is if the fluid is not 100% compatible excess wear can be happening without you seeing any obvious signs like in an engine of it until the unit fails in some way, it may take a longer time and when it happens most people just contribute it to a blown transmission and accept it at that. In fact if spec fluid was used it may not have had any issues at all and may still be living a happy life.

I used to rebuild a lot of CV axles (still do a few here and there) using new joints from SKF and few others I buy in Europe, some joints take a very special grease that cost almost $50 for 7oz, the grease is really that special. After many hours of research and help from Mola I have found a few of what seems to be real alternatives, one really looks great.
Not cheap grease but cheaper. I will run 4 different greases in 4 joints for a year before accepting it as a replacement, for other peoples joints they will continue to get the super expensive stuff until I am 100% sure it will hold up.


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