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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: Samrsnow] #5343108 02/06/20 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Samrsnow
JJack, I see you live in Lafayette. I work at Fournet's Chevron next to Mel's Diner on Johnston. We don't typically handle RP, mostly Chevron, Havoline, Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge. We can see about special ordering you some if you don't just buy the oil/filter yourself and have us change it for a rack charge. Otherwise we can use M1 5W30 and our filter.

M1 runs 12.95/QT Havoline 11.95 and rotations are about 22.50 before tax.

Come by or give us a call, Talk to Dave https://www.fournetschevron.com/

Thanks - Sam


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5343119 02/06/20 10:10 PM
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0/40...hammer down boy's, let'r go.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: Brian553] #5343153 02/06/20 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian553
Lots and lots of options. If you are following a severe service OCI, any synthetic 30 weight should be just fine. Castrol Magnatec and Supertech are an example.
If you are following an extended drain interval, I would pick something at least certed to ACEA A3. Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w-30 is an example.
If the sky is the limit for oil price, I would probably stop myself at something meeting VW 504? Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 is an example.

You're in Louisiana, so you don't need a 5w-30; I would probably opt for a 10w-30 if the line of oil offers it.

Oh and yes, this question gets asked a lot.


First off, I hope this doesn't come out rude or argumentative. I legitimately want to know what benefits there are to using a 10w30 over a 5w30. It's my understanding that both would act the same a normal operating temp so why worry about the heavier 10 rating at cooler temps? Again I'm asking to understand and learn, not disagree. Thanks.

Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: mpgo4th] #5343254 02/07/20 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mpgo4th
Originally Posted by Brian553
Lots and lots of options. If you are following a severe service OCI, any synthetic 30 weight should be just fine. Castrol Magnatec and Supertech are an example.
If you are following an extended drain interval, I would pick something at least certed to ACEA A3. Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w-30 is an example.
If the sky is the limit for oil price, I would probably stop myself at something meeting VW 504? Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 is an example.

You're in Louisiana, so you don't need a 5w-30; I would probably opt for a 10w-30 if the line of oil offers it.

Oh and yes, this question gets asked a lot.


First off, I hope this doesn't come out rude or argumentative. I legitimately want to know what benefits there are to using a 10w30 over a 5w30. It's my understanding that both would act the same a normal operating temp so why worry about the heavier 10 rating at cooler temps? Again I'm asking to understand and learn, not disagree. Thanks.


Benefit of a 10W-30 over a 5W-30:

To explain briefly and in basic terms, a 10W-30 will hold up better over time than a 5W-30, especially in TGDI engines.

Multigrade oils use polymers that are like spaghetti in that, when they heat up, the polymeric molecules stretch out. This has the effect of thickening the oil, which allows it to flow well at lower temps, but also to provide good viscosity and protection at higher temps.

A very basic article on VII:

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29842/viscosity-index-improvers

The drawback is that these polymers get chopped up over time and miles, especially in higher powered engines. That results in viscosity loss.

The greater the spread between an oil’s winter rating and summer rating, the more of these polymer viscosity index improvers (VII) must be used.

Oils that have a narrower spread tend to hold up better over time. They’re more stable, with better Noack volatility ratings. A good, stable oil with a good Noack score is always good, especially for turbocharged engines, and helps prevent coking in the turbo.

And, with the OP being in Louisiana, he’s not typically going to see temps low enough to make a 5W or 0W oil necessary.

Again, I’d suggest Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 in that engine. Or, if he really wants to stay with a 30W, I’d go with a thicker 30 like the M1 High Mileage 10W-30, Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 5W-30, or M1 ESP 5W-30. All of those have HTHS of at least 3.5. So, they’ll resist shear and stay in grade in that beast.

It’s a premium truck with a high-performance powertrain. It deserves a great oil.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5343286 02/07/20 03:57 AM
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I haven't seen many 5W-30s handle EcoBoost or GTDI engines very well beyond 7500 miles under normal use. Timing chain wear is a big issue that doesn't seem to be shown via UOAs.

Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5343287 02/07/20 04:02 AM
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My cx5 is DI and turbo. I use mobil 1 5-30 EP due to dexos gen 2, sn+, ht06, and low Ca. I do oil changes every 5k mi, and use the OEM Mazda JDM made filter.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: madeej11] #5343463 02/07/20 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by madeej11
Was that regular RP or the high performance oil? A very popular choice for the Ecoboost engines is Castrol Magnatec or even QSUD both of which I believe carry the Ford requirements and would be good for a 5k oci.

Magnatec goes into everything I own. I've tried many, but keep coming back to Magnatec. I like the way the engines run.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: john_pifer] #5343793 02/07/20 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by mpgo4th
Originally Posted by Brian553
Lots and lots of options. If you are following a severe service OCI, any synthetic 30 weight should be just fine. Castrol Magnatec and Supertech are an example.
If you are following an extended drain interval, I would pick something at least certed to ACEA A3. Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w-30 is an example.
If the sky is the limit for oil price, I would probably stop myself at something meeting VW 504? Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 is an example.

You're in Louisiana, so you don't need a 5w-30; I would probably opt for a 10w-30 if the line of oil offers it.

Oh and yes, this question gets asked a lot.


First off, I hope this doesn't come out rude or argumentative. I legitimately want to know what benefits there are to using a 10w30 over a 5w30. It's my understanding that both would act the same a normal operating temp so why worry about the heavier 10 rating at cooler temps? Again I'm asking to understand and learn, not disagree. Thanks.


Benefit of a 10W-30 over a 5W-30:

To explain briefly and in basic terms, a 10W-30 will hold up better over time than a 5W-30, especially in TGDI engines.

Multigrade oils use polymers that are like spaghetti in that, when they heat up, the polymeric molecules stretch out. This has the effect of thickening the oil, which allows it to flow well at lower temps, but also to provide good viscosity and protection at higher temps.

A very basic article on VII:

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29842/viscosity-index-improvers

The drawback is that these polymers get chopped up over time and miles, especially in higher powered engines. That results in viscosity loss.

The greater the spread between an oil’s winter rating and summer rating, the more of these polymer viscosity index improvers (VII) must be used.

Oils that have a narrower spread tend to hold up better over time. They’re more stable, with better Noack volatility ratings. A good, stable oil with a good Noack score is always good, especially for turbocharged engines, and helps prevent coking in the turbo.

And, with the OP being in Louisiana, he’s not typically going to see temps low enough to make a 5W or 0W oil necessary.

Again, I’d suggest Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 in that engine. Or, if he really wants to stay with a 30W, I’d go with a thicker 30 like the M1 High Mileage 10W-30, Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 5W-30, or M1 ESP 5W-30. All of those have HTHS of at least 3.5. So, they’ll resist shear and stay in grade in that beast.

It’s a premium truck with a high-performance powertrain. It deserves a great oil.

You talk about a narrow spread being better, then you go and suggest 5w40. Hello.

Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5343806 02/07/20 04:07 PM
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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5344153 02/07/20 10:54 PM
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Simple: HTHS 3.5 or above. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-30 Dexos2 rated (Wallmart), Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 or any other ACEA A3 oil.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: madeej11] #5344583 02/08/20 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by madeej11
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Originally Posted by mpgo4th
Originally Posted by Brian553
Lots and lots of options. If you are following a severe service OCI, any synthetic 30 weight should be just fine. Castrol Magnatec and Supertech are an example.
If you are following an extended drain interval, I would pick something at least certed to ACEA A3. Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w-30 is an example.
If the sky is the limit for oil price, I would probably stop myself at something meeting VW 504? Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 is an example.

You're in Louisiana, so you don't need a 5w-30; I would probably opt for a 10w-30 if the line of oil offers it.

Oh and yes, this question gets asked a lot.


First off, I hope this doesn't come out rude or argumentative. I legitimately want to know what benefits there are to using a 10w30 over a 5w30. It's my understanding that both would act the same a normal operating temp so why worry about the heavier 10 rating at cooler temps? Again I'm asking to understand and learn, not disagree. Thanks.


Benefit of a 10W-30 over a 5W-30:

To explain briefly and in basic terms, a 10W-30 will hold up better over time than a 5W-30, especially in TGDI engines.

Multigrade oils use polymers that are like spaghetti in that, when they heat up, the polymeric molecules stretch out. This has the effect of thickening the oil, which allows it to flow well at lower temps, but also to provide good viscosity and protection at higher temps.

A very basic article on VII:

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29842/viscosity-index-improvers

The drawback is that these polymers get chopped up over time and miles, especially in higher powered engines. That results in viscosity loss.

The greater the spread between an oil’s winter rating and summer rating, the more of these polymer viscosity index improvers (VII) must be used.

Oils that have a narrower spread tend to hold up better over time. They’re more stable, with better Noack volatility ratings. A good, stable oil with a good Noack score is always good, especially for turbocharged engines, and helps prevent coking in the turbo.

And, with the OP being in Louisiana, he’s not typically going to see temps low enough to make a 5W or 0W oil necessary.

Again, I’d suggest Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 in that engine. Or, if he really wants to stay with a 30W, I’d go with a thicker 30 like the M1 High Mileage 10W-30, Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 5W-30, or M1 ESP 5W-30. All of those have HTHS of at least 3.5. So, they’ll resist shear and stay in grade in that beast.

It’s a premium truck with a high-performance powertrain. It deserves a great oil.

You talk about a narrow spread being better, then you go and suggest 5w40. Hello.


An oil having a more narrow spread between the W rating and hot rating is usually an indicator that the oil will have a better Noack score, but it’s not the end-all be-all.

Comparing 5W-30 with 10W-30, in Louisiana climate, yes, I’d pick 10W-30, as I think it’ll hold up better. But I think the Raptor deserves a 40W. And there’s not a full-synth 40W with a narrower spread than 5W-40, to my knowledge.


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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5379836 03/18/20 07:32 PM
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Yes John there is. Amsoil Premium Protection 10w40.

Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5379889 03/18/20 08:53 PM
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Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5380008 03/19/20 03:31 AM
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That’s a power intensive engine (stressed parts) and TDI … so folks don’t need to throw in lube suggestions that are not LSPI formulas. There are some sidetracks in this thread below … but you might pick up a couple nuggets from it

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5224595/1

Re: 2018 Raptor, Best Engine Oil Decision [Re: JJack] #5380010 03/19/20 03:51 AM
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There is no *best* oil.

If you're on a tight budget then the best oil is the cheapest one
If you race in the desert then the best oil is Redline
If you drive a Cummins with stuck rings the best oil is VPBR
If you live in the Australian outback then the only oil is 40w70
If you work for CAFE then the best oil is 0w8

You just need to pick something appropriate wink

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