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Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions #5337500 01/31/20 04:22 PM
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I am leasing a 2017 Fusion Sport and a 2018 Explorer XLT AWD. Both cars have had a lot of issues as well as design flaws that can be rather catastrophic. Ford chooses to ignore its customer base and keep pushing out garbage. I wanted to get a 2021 Explorer ST, but seeing how much of a flop the 2020 Explorer/Aviator has been (leaving the factory without operational instrument panels, missing parking brake buttons, leaking transmissions, transmissions that fail left and right, engine oil pans that leak, owners that had a trans fail and then the loaner Explorer trans failed followed by their replaced trans failed), I am giving up on Ford. I've bought nothing but Fords over 30 years and really really really wish I had just kept my 2007 Mustang GT because it was problem-free. The newer Fords all seem to have a problem. My 2018 Explorer hood is already rusting (aluminum corrosion) at under 10k miles. The right rear door is misaligned due to stamping flaws, and the 3.5L N/A V6 has an internal water pump that can give up the ghost at 27k miles or 100k miles, and when it does there's a good chance it takes out the engine. Either $2000 repair or $8000 repair. A lot of the Explorer issues have to do with the Chicago Assembly plant, which has been notorious for producing garbage. My 2014 SHO had a lot of body alignment issues as well, and many many many Taurus's between 2013-2015 had the same alignment issues.It wasn't a one off problem.

How is the 2018-up Traverse? Has it been relatively problem-free? I've read issues with the 9-speed transaxle at least for the initial 2018 release. This is the 9-speed that was jointly developed by Ford/GM, and Ford took out 4th gear and made it into the 8-speed transaxle on the newer Edges. SUVs like the Equinox, Edge, and Blazer have too small of a fuel tank. The Traverse seems to have a good balance of highway MPG's (27 mpg at 75 mph according to Car and Driver) and fuel tank capacity (almost 22 gal) giving it a 540+ mile range. My girlfriend's 2015 Malibu 2.0 gets about 30 mpg on the highway and has a 18 gal tank and we were seeing about a 500 mile range during a cross country road trip. My 2018 Explorer barely gets over 300 miles before having to fill up. My Fusion Sport is much better at over 400 miles.

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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337503 01/31/20 04:27 PM
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The new Kia Telluride looks pretty nice, I might consider that too.

Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: drtyler] #5337507 01/31/20 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by drtyler
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The new Kia Telluride looks pretty nice, I might consider that too.


This ☝️


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337508 01/31/20 04:31 PM
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here are a couple of utube chevy traverse reviews by chad haire. i know nothing of the traverse but i enjoy his reviews:

https://youtu.be/INMfgexvR8I

https://youtu.be/1I922MMaFG4


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337511 01/31/20 04:32 PM
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I’ve seen some rusted hoods on newer Explorers. Quite shocked actually.

I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t trust any of them right now...Ford, GM, Chrysler. I’m seeing issues with all of them. Just this week I’ve seen three new/newer Silverados starters fail (before 35,000 miles). I’ve seen dodge rams with exhaust manifold leaks, camshaft failures. I’ve seen Jeep Grand Cherokee’s with rotted transmission pans, less than three years old. Kia and Hyundai’s with massive oil consumption. GM too.

The automotive industry actually seems to be taking a step back with some of the “new technology” they’ve implemented. Direct injection has changed the game. Cost cutting has always been there, but now they’re also trying to squeeze fuel economy into federal regulation. And it’s hurting them.


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: drtyler] #5337512 01/31/20 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by drtyler
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The new Kia Telluride looks pretty nice, I might consider that too.


That Kia Telluride is absolutely savage. Love that thing. Beautiful. They’ve actually raised the price if it’s heading into its second year of production.


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337513 01/31/20 04:34 PM
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I have not had that experience with my Ford Fusions. The 2018 has 85K and the only repair needed was the timing chain re-sealed at 59K. Nothing else so far.


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337525 01/31/20 04:50 PM
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I would go with Hyundai or Kia, Ford has been pushing junk, especially the Exploders, since 1996 till new. Toyota is taking advantage of their rep some also, Not fond of any other domestics made since 2006 either.

I like the look of the telluride also, sharp!

Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337546 01/31/20 05:13 PM
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If I had my pick of GDI or TGDI, I would probably go with Hyundai or Kia right now. I am most confident about how far I can stretch them out beyond their warranty than I am on my Ford. I am also more confident that I would not have to call upon a warranty claim with a Hyundai/Kia than a Ford.






Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337556 01/31/20 05:22 PM
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The Hyundai Palisade is very similar to the KIA Telluride.
https://m.hyundaiusa.com/palisade/


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: drtyler] #5337561 01/31/20 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by drtyler
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The new Kia Telluride looks pretty nice, I might consider that too.


Don't count out a 4Runner. Although aged, reliability and longevity are top notch.


Lates.
Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: Railrust] #5337562 01/31/20 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Railrust
I’ve seen some rusted hoods on newer Explorers. Quite shocked actually.

I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t trust any of them right now...Ford, GM, Chrysler. I’m seeing issues with all of them. Just this week I’ve seen three new/newer Silverados starters fail (before 35,000 miles). I’ve seen dodge rams with exhaust manifold leaks, camshaft failures. I’ve seen Jeep Grand Cherokee’s with rotted transmission pans, less than three years old. Kia and Hyundai’s with massive oil consumption. GM too.

The automotive industry actually seems to be taking a step back with some of the “new technology” they’ve implemented. Direct injection has changed the game. Cost cutting has always been there, but now they’re also trying to squeeze fuel economy into federal regulation. And it’s hurting them.


The 8 speed transmissions in the 2014+ models have a plastic pan though.


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337563 01/31/20 05:30 PM
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Get a Toyota 4Runner and take it to the ground...


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Re: Giving up on Ford - too many problems, need suggestions [Re: metroplex] #5337567 01/31/20 05:33 PM
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Picking up a Telluride on Monday, hopefully it holds up. Car and Driver picked it for the best three row SUV this fall, named it to the 10 best list, and have one in their long term fleet (excerpt below).


The big problem right now is the wait times. We had to wait just over 2 months from order to delivery.

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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29411864/2020-kia-telluride-reliability-maintenance/

There comes a time in life when you have to acknowledge your shortcomings. And as our 2020 Kia Telluride SX AWD passes the 14,000-mile mark, that time for us is now.

Try as we might, we are unable to find much to criticize about our moss-green Kia long-termer. Maybe that’s not considered a shortcoming in the real world. Other people we’ve met appear perfectly happy to be happy. We are critics, though. It is our job—nay, our nature—to criticize.

Usually, new cars provide plenty of opportunity for complaints. The outward visibility stinks. The engine is weak and sounds like a horse [censored]. The seat heaters are too slow to warm our buns. When we have nothing big to criticize, we can typically find something minor. If we can’t find something minor, we can usually find something trivial. With the Telluride, though, we are flummoxed.

So, credit to testing director Dave VanderWerp for gamely having a go at criticizing this 10Best-winning, comparison-test-dominating three-row, family SUV. Everyone else on staff has simply thrown up their hands. And reviews deputy editor Tony Quiroga has sustained a love affair with the Telluride that borders on giddy infatuation. ....


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My Neighbor traded in their 2017 Explorer because the cabin always smelled of fuel. They bought a Traverse and love it. I must admit, sharp. I lilke the new Highlinder, Palisade and Telluride too.


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