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Change now or wait a bit? #5337434 01/31/20 03:05 PM
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I bought a new '19 Kia Sorento with the 3.3 NA V6 engine in December. I now have 19xx miles and will probably have 2000 by Monday afternoon. The manual calls for 5W-30, API SM or above, ILSAC GF-4 or above, ACEA-A5 or above. The manual doesn't specify synthetic (unless those requirements indicate that it's synthetic), so I don't know if it came with synthetic from the factory. I'll guess not. I've already purchased some CARQUEST (by Amalie) full Synth 5W-30 D1G2, SN Plus GF-5 oil. My question is, should I change out the factory oil this Monday when it's predicted to be near 60 degrees and vehicle will have 2000 miles, or wait another month when I'll have approximately 3000 miles on factory fill and hopefully find a warm day then. My driving is roughly 60% short trips and 40% highway. Severe usage schedule calls for oil change at 3750. So, change now, closer to 3000, or it doesn't matter?

Thanks

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I would have changed the factory fill by 1,000 miles

Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337451 01/31/20 03:21 PM
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60°F sounds like a good temperature day for an oil change, and I'm a fan of early first changes so IMO go for it!


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337463 01/31/20 03:32 PM
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ACEA A5 oils are also available;

Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30
Castrol Edge EP 5W-30
Mobil 1 'vanilla' 5W-30

the carquest is not.

Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: tundraotto] #5337481 01/31/20 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto
ACEA A5 oils are also available;

Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30
Castrol Edge EP 5W-30
Mobil 1 'vanilla' 5W-30

the carquest is not.


Does ACEA A5 make it synthetic? Should I take the CARQUEST back and get one of those you have listed? D1G2 is pretty good oil, no?

Kia seems to be hooked up with Total Quartz. Don't know much about them. Synthetic??

Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337485 01/31/20 04:00 PM
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Change at normal oil change time. Never seen proof of early oil change saving engines.


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337498 01/31/20 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wbwanzer
So, change now, closer to 3000, or it doesn't matter?

Thanks


I've never seen any data that says it matters. My vote is "doesn't matter". Why do you think you're severe usage?

Do you meet this criteria:

Repeated short distance driving.
Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
Extensive use of brakes.
Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are being used.
Driving on rough or muddy roads.
Driving in mountainous areas.
Extended periods of idling or low-speed operation.
Driving for a prolonged period in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
More than 50% driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90 degrees Fahrenheit.


Without data you're just another person with an opinion. W. E. Deming

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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: STIcandy] #5337499 01/31/20 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by STIcandy
I would have changed the factory fill by 1,000 miles


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337506 01/31/20 04:30 PM
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Nothing says that ACEA A5 oils have to be synthetic - but I dont know of any conventional oils that meet the standard.

ACEA A5B5-10

ACEA A5/B5 oils are Upper Mainline lubricants. They are designed for use in high performance gasoline and light duty diesel engines that are specifically designed to use a low viscosity oil. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines.

ACEA A5/B5 oils are typically low HTHS (≤3.5cP) SAE 5W-30 based on API Group III base oils. The main physical and chemical requirements for ACEA A5/B5 are shown below:

Requirement Method Unit Limit
HTHS viscosity CEC L-36-A-90 cP ≥ 2.9 and ≤ 3.5
Sulphated Ash ASTM D874 %wt ≤ 1.6
Phosphorus ASTM D5185 %wt Report
Sulphur ASTM D5185 %wt Report
Evaporation loss (NOACK) CEC L-40-A-93 % ≤ 13
Total Base Number ASTM D2896 mgKOH/g ≥ 8.0
The low HTHS (≤3.5cP) required by ACEA A5/B5 limits the number of additional performance claims that can be coupled with ACEA A5/B5.

Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337510 01/31/20 04:31 PM
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Changing it now, or 1000 miles ago, or in another 1000 miles will result in zero difference over the life of your vehicle.
Whenever you choose to change it, up to the OEM recommended interval, will only result in you feeling better about the situation. It will have no material impact on the life of the vehicle.
This stuff just isn't that complicated, no matter what the naysayers will purport.

Carry on!!!
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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: tiger862] #5337519 01/31/20 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger862
Change at normal oil change time. Never seen proof of early oil change saving engines.

Agree...


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337590 01/31/20 06:02 PM
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Make it easier on yourself, Drive it to 5000 miles, change it, and then change it every 5k miles after. Easy numbers, easy to remember, easy cadence. Use synthetic, why not at this point in 2020 no matter if the manual says to use synthetic or not?


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: BucDan] #5337596 01/31/20 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BucDan
Make it easier on yourself, Drive it to 5000 miles, change it, and then change it every 5k miles after. Easy numbers, easy to remember, easy cadence. Use synthetic, why not at this point in 2020 no matter if the manual says to use synthetic or not?



That's fair. I changed factory oil at 5k.


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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337600 01/31/20 06:11 PM
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I changed my 2020 Kia Soul X-Line at 1600 miles. I decided to wait a little longer for full synthetic thou. So I opted for Pennzoil Gold Syn Blend instead. That will get kicked to the curb at 4000 miles. Then I will upgrade it to Mobil-1 full synthetic and change it every 4K, which is easier to remember than every 3750 (Severe Service)

Using Carquest Full Synthetic this OCI is fine. I recommend (many others here too) to use OEM HyunKia oil filters. (Both dealers offer the exact same one for 3.3).

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Re: Change now or wait a bit? [Re: wbwanzer] #5337624 01/31/20 06:38 PM
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I would change it now. Going forward every 4,500 miles. This is a GDI engine so use synthetic.

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