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SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai #5337054 01/31/20 06:34 AM
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I'm probably unnecessarily torturing myself. I originally started considering different oils in the fall to address timing chain rattle at startup but my obsession has since (probably) gotten excessive, while the rattle has remained unchanged.

I really like using the Motul 8100 line of oils. I use 3 different varieties right now in various cars maintain, it's readily available and as far as I'm concerned a descent price.

The car in question is a 2013 Hyundai Santa fe with the 3.3L Lambda II engine, 10.4:1 compression naturally aspirated. I use regular 87 octane from major suppliers only. My current fill is Motul 8100 XCESS 5w-40. I'm happy with the specs of the oil although going by VOA's I've found, Motul doesn't utilize any Molybdenum in this oil, and CA is high at 2350. I'm considering going back to their xclean efe 5w-30, just waiting on the VOA to return, however I still expect the calcium to be in the mid 1000's or better.

I have looked into what the current model year santa fe with the 3.3L specs from Hyundai and they still only call for an API SN oil.

I understand most LSPI events occur in the small displacement boosted engines. Obviously they're not concerned with this engine having LSPI events. Should I be?

Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337078 01/31/20 07:23 AM
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Don't overthink this. In a few years, you'll be hard pressed to buy an oil that's not SN+ rated. This is simply the current API spec. A few years ago, you were probably putting SN oil in it when it only needs SM.

Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337094 01/31/20 07:48 AM
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LSPI is a problem almost exclusive to tgdi's. You have a naturally aspirated, PI engine in that Hyundai I believe? Although some 2013's did get a non turbo, GDI version of the Lambda 2.

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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5337104 01/31/20 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
LSPI is a problem almost exclusive to tgdi's. You have a naturally aspirated, PI engine in that Hyundai I believe? Although some 2013's did get a non turbo, GDI version of the Lambda 2.


No, 2013 was the first year for the DI engine.

Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337117 01/31/20 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by STIcandy
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LSPI is a problem almost exclusive to tgdi's. You have a naturally aspirated, PI engine in that Hyundai I believe? Although some 2013's did get a non turbo, GDI version of the Lambda 2.


No, 2013 was the first year for the DI engine.

Correct, my bad.. the pi L2 was a 3.5L, which the '13 SF did not get. Lspi should still not be a concern for you..use your Google machine and read up on just what LSPI is and you'll better understand why you should stop worrying

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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5337139 01/31/20 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by STIcandy
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LSPI is a problem almost exclusive to tgdi's. You have a naturally aspirated, PI engine in that Hyundai I believe? Although some 2013's did get a non turbo, GDI version of the Lambda 2.


No, 2013 was the first year for the DI engine.

Correct, my bad.. the pi L2 was a 3.5L, which the '13 SF did not get. Lspi should still not be a concern for you..use your Google machine and read up on just what LSPI is and you'll better understand why you should stop worrying

Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter


I have read extensively on LSPI and experienced the results of it as a tech. I also know there have been many a debate about weather of not it could be an issue in an NA engine, to which it had been argued either way. Regardless I've never seen it happen in an NA application, much less a V6.

Just looked up the oil spec for the kia stinger gt which is essentially my engine turbocharged. Kia still says nothing about SN+. They spec ACEA A5 with notes that even an SM GF4 is acceptable. So I've decided I needn't worry about the CA of my engine oil. I'll keep on trucking with what I've got and support it with UOA 's.

Thanks guys!

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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337150 01/31/20 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by STIcandy
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
LSPI is a problem almost exclusive to tgdi's. You have a naturally aspirated, PI engine in that Hyundai I believe? Although some 2013's did get a non turbo, GDI version of the Lambda 2.


No, 2013 was the first year for the DI engine.

Correct, my bad.. the pi L2 was a 3.5L, which the '13 SF did not get. Lspi should still not be a concern for you..use your Google machine and read up on just what LSPI is and you'll better understand why you should stop worrying

Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter


I have read extensively on LSPI and experienced the results of it as a tech. I also know there have been many a debate about weather of not it could be an issue in an NA engine, to which it had been argued either way. Regardless I've never seen it happen in an NA application, much less a V6.

Just looked up the oil spec for the kia stinger gt which is essentially my engine turbocharged. Kia still says nothing about SN+. They spec ACEA A5 with notes that even an SM GF4 is acceptable. So I've decided I needn't worry about the CA of my engine oil. I'll keep on trucking with what I've got and support it with UOA 's.

Thanks guys!

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to question your knowledge on the topic (guess I was confused why you were raising the concern to begin with since you have a NA engine but anywho..). In any event I'm glad you've reached some consensus on the topic and are able to put to bed your concerns. 👍

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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337208 01/31/20 10:11 AM
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Use a current SN Plus oil that's Dexos certified. 5W20/30 would be best served. Thinner in winters / Thicker in spring, summer and fall.
Best to also use Premium Top-tier gas.
Lastly, best to stick with OEM Hyundai oil filters.


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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Use a current SN Plus oil that's Dexos certified. 5W20/30 would be best served. Thinner in winters / Thicker in spring, summer and fall.
Best to also use Premium Top-tier gas.
Lastly, best to stick with OEM Hyundai oil filters.


Why SN+ if LSPI isn't an issue? I recently tried 2 tanks of premium fuel to the tune of an additional $20 each, with absolutely zero improvements in L/100kms. I can't justify the cost if it gets me no returns. I do however buy OEM filters.

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D1G2 already addresses lspi and timing chain wear, so sn+ is redundant.

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Originally Posted by STIcandy
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Use a current SN Plus oil that's Dexos certified. 5W20/30 would be best served. Thinner in winters / Thicker in spring, summer and fall.
Best to also use Premium Top-tier gas.
Lastly, best to stick with OEM Hyundai oil filters.


Why SN+ if LSPI isn't an issue? I recently tried 2 tanks of premium fuel to the tune of an additional $20 each, with absolutely zero improvements in L/100kms. I can't justify the cost if it gets me no returns. I do however buy OEM filters.

Lots of studies say Calcium not a friend of these GDI / TGDI engines. Magnesium levels have been raised also, to combat the effects.

I would love to use Castrol Euro 0w40 in my two Korean models. But in no way will either engine see it. I wont even pick up a jug at Walmart, without it saying Dexos 1 and Gen 2.
So yes, I am overly picky about my vehicle care. That's because I've always been first and last owner of them. If you recently bought that vehicle and plan on selling it / trading it in......etc.... before it reaches it's last years, then have no worries and use whatever oil and filter you desire.

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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5337298 01/31/20 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by STIcandy
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Use a current SN Plus oil that's Dexos certified. 5W20/30 would be best served. Thinner in winters / Thicker in spring, summer and fall.
Best to also use Premium Top-tier gas.
Lastly, best to stick with OEM Hyundai oil filters.


Why SN+ if LSPI isn't an issue? I recently tried 2 tanks of premium fuel to the tune of an additional $20 each, with absolutely zero improvements in L/100kms. I can't justify the cost if it gets me no returns. I do however buy OEM filters.

Lots of studies say Calcium not a friend of these GDI / TGDI engines. Magnesium levels have been raised also, to combat the effects.

I would love to use Castrol Euro 0w40 in my two Korean models. But in no way will either engine see it. I wont even pick up a jug at Walmart, without it saying Dexos 1 and Gen 2.
So yes, I am overly picky about my vehicle care. That's because I've always been first and last owner of them. If you recently bought that vehicle and plan on selling it / trading it in......etc.... before it reaches it's last years, then have no worries and use whatever oil and filter you desire.


Fair enough you make some valid points. I've owned the vehicle since July 2013 and plan to drive it into the ground. Your points have been noted.

Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
D1G2 already addresses lspi and timing chain wear, so sn+ is redundant.


Funny enough, I was under the impression that all SN+ bear the D1G2 designation as well, however it appears that's not the case. I looked at a bottle of PP euro 5w-40 last night and it had the SN+ designation but not D1G2.

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Just read this. A bit long winded but a worthy read:

https://www.motor.com/magazine-summary/old-new-oil-new-engines-august-2018/


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Re: SN+ use when not spec'd by Hyundai [Re: STIcandy] #5337456 01/31/20 03:28 PM
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No, you shouldn't be concerned.


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