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Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. #5336642 01/30/20 05:21 PM
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I have always run a 3rd party Antivirus/Malware program(s) as WD used to score poorly in testing. Now I see they score right up there with the rest.

It appears I may have wasted some money on Bitdefender. I will probably drop it when it expires in a year.

I wonder if they bought other companies scan engines or just hired good people to finally make a quality program.


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5336650 01/30/20 05:26 PM
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I've never been able to figure out why Microsoft can't secure their own operating systems-if they don't know how it works, then nobody does! It's a shame Bill Gates is better at raking cash than building good software.


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5336655 01/30/20 05:31 PM
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I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: Leo99] #5336657 01/30/20 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Leo99
I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


That's very true. We had a school district where some idiot clicked on ransomeware and didn't think it was something they should've done so they sent it to 10 other people asking them what it was. duh


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: bullwinkle] #5336659 01/30/20 05:37 PM
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I've never been able to figure out why Microsoft can't secure their own operating systems-if they don't know how it works, then nobody does! It's a shame Bill Gates is better at raking cash than building good software.


I don't envy anyone who has to make all of their software backwards-compatible because of the tens of millions of corporate support contracts they have stretching back decades.
Also, when you have some 90%+ of the desktop market share; and that 90%+ is likely to count among them the least technically-astute users, you're going to attract the miscreants' attention. A lot of malware finds itself on a users' system often through some action on the part of the user.
It's closed-source, owned and run by a for-profit organization who may or may not choose to disclose and patch things. Open-source projects tend to be more responsive to and transparent with flaw.
Windows works with a LOT of stuff and has a lot of services going on and a lot of ports open. Those functions cost in terms of complexity and security.

I've given up on trying to stop myself from saying it: If you need privacy, security, stability, transparency and simplicity take a look at Ubuntu or some other Linux variant.

Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5336728 01/30/20 06:55 PM
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Microsoft owns what, 95% of the market? Open source has its downside for sure but the upside is magnitudes higher if you are a shareholder. The free A.V. that comes with Windows is the best. The big commercial's like Norton etc are actual viruses in and of themselves.

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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: jeepman3071] #5336848 01/30/20 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Leo99
I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


That's very true. We had a school district where some idiot clicked on ransomeware and didn't think it was something they should've done so they sent it to 10 other people asking them what it was. duh

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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5336858 01/30/20 09:20 PM
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oh.. thanks for the reminder... have kapersky free(when we got tired of Avast!'s Bloat ware) on the parents PC from when it was Win 7... now that my brother upgraded it to 10...I can Ditch Kapersky...

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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: Leo99] #5336891 01/30/20 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Leo99
I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


Because bringing a law firm back up from a ransomware attack is NOT fun nor cheap. That was probably the one most annoying event ever of my career so far.

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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5337035 01/31/20 05:54 AM
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The Windows world is secure, the world runs on windows, the press amplifies the issues.
Also you can not "defend" against "stupid"
People allowing programs/fake emails/etc to install rogue exploits in the vast majority of breaches, meaning the really bad ones.

With that said, many years ago I would do routine scans with free virus protection, I never let them run full time.
I too, believe Windows 10 Defender is the only program needed besides not being stupid. *LOL*

Im in the Mac world now but still have 2 other Win 10 desktops and 2 Win 10 laptops.


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: ZZman] #5337187 01/31/20 09:46 AM
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Windows Defender is certainly competent and sufficient in most cases. However, just in the past week the pc security channel (TPSC) posted a video of WD being tested against a number of ransomware infection, most of which have been in the wild for a while. Surprisingly, it missed a few and the test machine was compromised (encrypted). Some of the subscription AV products do better in similar tests.



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Originally Posted by Touring5
Windows Defender is certainly competent and sufficient in most cases. However, just in the past week the pc security channel (TPSC) posted a video of WD being tested against a number of ransomware infection, most of which have been in the wild for a while. Surprisingly, it missed a few and the test machine was compromised (encrypted). Some of the subscription AV products do better in similar tests.


I wonder if the Controlled Folder Access function of Windows Security/Defender was enabled on the test?


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Re: Shocked to learn Windows Defender is so good now. [Re: Pew] #5337384 01/31/20 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pew
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I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


Because bringing a law firm back up from a ransomware attack is NOT fun nor cheap. That was probably the one most annoying event ever of my career so far.


Been there, but with a doctor's office. Not fun at all. They have an ESET subscription now.


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Originally Posted by Leo99
I've always thought the risk of viruses and malware is vastly overblown. We have to take mandatory IT training at my job and the biggest risk is someone being tricked into running an executable file.


Because bringing a law firm back up from a ransomware attack is NOT fun nor cheap. That was probably the one most annoying event ever of my career so far.


Been there, but with a doctor's office. Not fun at all. They have an ESET subscription now.

I have to ask: Presuming the absence of a complete and recent backup of data, what does the process of recovering from ransomware entail? I'll also presume the data wasn't just .zip'ed with a password of "1234" but likely AES...

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