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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335599 01/29/20 04:25 PM
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I have a step and a nephew that shouldn't be near tools. Now the step is a Doctor and the nephew works at home doing IT and is doing VERY well. Just bought a Land Cruiser. Those of us that work with our hands don't understand their world and vice versa sometimes but that's ok.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335600 01/29/20 04:26 PM
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At some point in life, you learn the difference between a phillips and a flat head. Today was his day.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: skyactiv] #5335608 01/29/20 04:35 PM
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And he probably doesn't know how to put a spare tire on a vehicle.
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My brother in law got towed into an Infiniti dealer some years ago.
He was mad. Got a flat tire, couldn't locate the spare.(FX 35 suv,as I recall)
The spare is where you would expect it to be, but the subwoofer is nested in there too, so, Homer Simpson Anger Moment. lol.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335625 01/29/20 04:48 PM
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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335627 01/29/20 04:48 PM
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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: rekit] #5335631 01/29/20 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rekit
I have a step and a nephew that shouldn't be near tools. Now the step is a Doctor and the nephew works at home doing IT and is doing VERY well. Just bought a Land Cruiser. Those of us that work with our hands don't understand their world and vice versa sometimes but that's ok.


Yep.

Different career fields for different people. Not everyone wants to get greasy and dirty.


Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335635 01/29/20 04:56 PM
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Random people won't know what's a Philips or Posidrive drive. That's just the way it is.

Concerning myself, I learned about this when I was 15, and discovered JIS last year (I'm 32). Makes me humble.


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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: BISCUT] #5335637 01/29/20 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BISCUT
Well, other side of the coin is this dude and many like him may not have the skill set to get a higher per hour wage. Ever think of that?


Your stating that, doesn't make it true. At the very least the minimum wage should have kept up with inflation, and part time work should receive an equivalent % of full time work benefits.

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It's not a business's responsibility to provide a living wage for an adult who may have not done what they could have done to better themselves at an earlier age.


Sure it is the business's responsibility to provide enough to keep their worker healthy and returning instead of the rapid turnover rate which hurts everyone.

Your post seems ignorant of reality when you wrote "an adult who may not have done what they could have done to better themselves" because the fact is, many adults did do what they could, ended up with student loan debts, but over-educating the population does not increase the number of skilled jobs. You can cite individual cases where an education helps an individual but that does not apply to the entire worker pool.

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I'm sure the excuses are about to flood this post but end of day we all have choices and we make em. Those choices have outcomes.


Not applicable. You can have 100 Hard Worker Bees who are qualified for 50 jobs. They all worked about as hard and made about the same life decisions, but there are not 100 jobs for them. You seem to be in the set of 50 that got job "x" and want to pretend you made better choices when that is sometimes true but very often not true.

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Reminds me of the dad who confronted Elizabeth Warren stating he worked multiple jobs and put his kid through college while his neighbor just drew debt and how is it he should benefit from being bailed out of student debt.


What reminds you of that? You feel you can take one isolated incident and assume it applies to the majority, let alone everyone? That is more like deliberate refusal to accept the state of the middle class shrinkage in america than an accurate portrayal of choices and consequences. The fact is, you can work just as hard and make choices just as good as that father you referred to, but today forward instead of decades ago till now, and have a quite different outcome. It is a sad situation for kids just getting out of high school today.

Instead of beliefs based on anecdotes, look at the statistics, but all of them, not just those cherry picked to support an agenda.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335643 01/29/20 05:07 PM
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Luv them or hate them building trade unions apprenticeships from the first day on the job your training begins. Learning comes from the mechanics you work with, day and night school. Knowing what level, plumb and square are, working safely, instructors that wants everybody to succeed including the contractors.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335644 01/29/20 05:07 PM
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Auto parts are some of the lowest paying jobs there are. Walmart pays much more.

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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335650 01/29/20 05:15 PM
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Took my Tacoma in for it's second 100K timing belt-water pump-hoses job to a new place after my regular guy retired and noticed some of the "mechanics" were working at auto parts stores a few years ago. I guess they went to a trade school or just OJT but good for them. Got another 40K on it now so I guess they got it right.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335653 01/29/20 05:18 PM
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I just had a set of new Goodyear tires put on my 2004 Silverado.

Mistake #1 - Employee #1 (likely 18 years old) processed the work order with standard valve stems (since it is a 2004). However, the truck has newer wheels with TPMS stems. No one ever took the effort to even look at the truck, and honestly, I'll let that mistake slide.

Mistake #2 - Guy installing the tires (likely yet another 18 year old) sees the work order that states standard stems, and sees wheels with TPMS stems. Instead of asking a simple question of the manager, who was in the shop that morning... or of the person who processed the work order... or of me, who was there the whole time...he takes the easy way out and leaves the 6 year old stems in place and does *nothing*, assuming that no one would notice.

I didn't notice the old stems until I got home. So, instead of it being a one trip, two hour project... it turned into a two trip, four hour project. And no one apologized for anything. Not the installer, not the shop manager, not the general manager... no one. And this, from a family owned store (which I've bought my last set of tires from).

And it is all the rage to demand $15 a hour pay for this...


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Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: mrsilv04] #5335663 01/29/20 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsilv04
I just had a set of new Goodyear tires put on my 2004 Silverado.

Mistake #1 - Employee #1 (likely 18 years old) processed the work order with standard valve stems (since it is a 2004). However, the truck has newer wheels with TPMS stems. No one ever took the effort to even look at the truck, and honestly, I'll let that mistake slide.

Mistake #2 - Guy installing the tires (likely yet another 18 year old) sees the work order that states standard stems, and sees wheels with TPMS stems. Instead of asking a simple question of the manager, who was in the shop that morning... or of the person who processed the work order... or of me, who was there the whole time...he takes the easy way out and leaves the 6 year old stems in place and does *nothing*, assuming that no one would notice.

I didn't notice the old stems until I got home. So, instead of it being a one trip, two hour project... it turned into a two trip, four hour project. And no one apologized for anything. Not the installer, not the shop manager, not the general manager... no one. And this, from a family owned store (which I've bought my last set of tires from).

And it is all the rage to demand $15 a hour pay for this...


It is counter intuitive isn't it? Just like Bell's Inequality. Pay more and you get a more educated workforce. Pay less and you get worse help.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: ondarvr] #5335677 01/29/20 05:49 PM
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Two years out of school and is doing very well.

He really doesn’t need to know much about tools, they aren’t part of his world.

Nope. He will just log on to some /r page and gripe to his fellow web nerd network about the ridiculous cost to replace a water heater/oil change/spark plug service or change out a light fixture.

Re: The "benefits" of low unemployment [Re: Egg_Head] #5335680 01/29/20 05:51 PM
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A high percentage of these lower paying jobs don't give very much of an increase to someone who is much more intelligent thus the high turnover and lack of product knowledge. The auto parts store is just a stepping stone for a better job with more pay and benefits.


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