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Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T #5334108 01/27/20 07:11 PM
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2017 Civic with 24,000 on the odometer, OCI 4,786 miles over 5 months.

Oil capacity is 3.7 qts, which is exactly the amount drained, that plus a small amount in the filter and sent to sample, makes for a very small increase in oil level (due to fuel dilution).

This fill was a Pennzoil Platinum mix, 2.5 qts of 5W30 and 1.25 qts of 0W20, an attempt to use a slightly "thicker" oil to compensate for the anticipated fuel dilution.

Replaced with PP 0W20, didn't try a mix this time, will run another 5K or so.

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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334156 01/27/20 08:12 PM
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Since your in Florida, why not run 100% 5w30 ? Or a 0w30. I would feel perfectly fine with a 5w30.

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334164 01/27/20 08:18 PM
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100% 5W30 if it was my car waaaay down there in da heat zone.


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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334177 01/27/20 08:29 PM
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fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldnt be surprised if it was closer to 5%

A friend with a CRV 1.5T watches his oil level visibly rise in the winter.

NE OHIO is not exactly MN or BC either.


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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334188 01/27/20 08:35 PM
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Thanks for posting. As I get ready for new car I think I will run 0w30. Report looks okay, flash point getting a wee bit low.


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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334194 01/27/20 08:38 PM
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With that low of a flashpoint FD is well over 5%. Ok report though, still breaking in engine

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334195 01/27/20 08:38 PM
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The recommended oil is 0W20. The first change I did with 5W30 was a knee-jerk reaction after reading about the fuel dilution issues with this engine, thinking a heavier oil would compensate for the fuel dilution (I think I read that somewhere).
With the 2nd oil change, I took the 5W30 I had left over and simply mixed it with the recommended 0W20, just to see what the results would be.... nothing to write home about right?
The current fill is PP 0W20, the recommended oil... let's see how that does. Depending upon the intensity of the fuel odor and the amount of oil in the engine at the next drain, I will then decide whether to stay with 0W20 or go to 5W30 on the next fill.

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I can't believe they went with a 3.7 quart sump. That seems very small for all that is required of that engine. Our 1.8 TSI Jetta takes 5.7 quarts.


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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334395 01/28/20 06:25 AM
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I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.


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Originally Posted by gregk24
I can't believe they went with a 3.7 quart sump. That seems very small for all that is required of that engine. Our 1.8 TSI Jetta takes 5.7 quarts.



My 1.4T VW is 4L

Oil temp on the DIC is well below boiling most of the time. I have to wail on the boost to get it above 210F.

Hopefully you can get to a 6K or so OCI.

Is this triggered by an OLM?

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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334616 01/28/20 11:39 AM
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Wow, Low flash point

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Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334803 01/28/20 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chinee
Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

Oil Analyzers. cheaper and uses GC to measure fuel dilution (no extra charge for TBN)

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I can't recall ever seeing a 0W-20 UOA with significant viscosity loss. Your choice of going with the recommended viscosity was a good one imo.


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Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: parshisa] #5334913 01/28/20 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by parshisa
Originally Posted by chinee
Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

Oil Analyzers. cheaper and uses GC to measure fuel dilution (no extra charge for TBN)


Cheaper? Only if you get TBN from Blackstone. $33.90 for Oil Analyzers vs. $28 for Blackstone, without TBN. I don't run long enough OCI's to worry about TBN.


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