Recent Topics
1994 Buick Century 63k miles pics
by MuzzleFlash40 - 02/26/20 04:10 AM
Oils for old engines
by puma4440 - 02/25/20 08:18 PM
Do you still use liquid and paste sealants
by WhyMe - 02/25/20 08:16 PM
VW dealer hilarity - window tinted the wrong car.
by pezzy669 - 02/25/20 07:53 PM
New style Goodyear Duratrac
by NHRATA - 02/25/20 07:44 PM
Need oil additive advise for replacement engine.
by 13Track38 - 02/25/20 07:18 PM
New member with UOA to share
by JamesGames - 02/25/20 07:10 PM
When do you do DIY?
by BMWTurboDzl - 02/25/20 06:47 PM
synchromesh
by hunter29 - 02/25/20 06:41 PM
Ever buy a stranger lunch ?
by Mr Nice - 02/25/20 06:18 PM
36 bucks for balancing two tires....
by Vern_in_IL - 02/25/20 05:20 PM
project farm like test for Maxlife vs toyota WS
by danez_yoda - 02/25/20 05:09 PM
Audi Q5 Transmission oil?
by John344 - 02/25/20 04:35 PM
Valvoline Modern engine
by Villalobos - 02/25/20 04:35 PM
Rust bubbles
by WA1DH - 02/25/20 04:27 PM
Which of these sub $4 filters
by jayjr1105 - 02/25/20 04:05 PM
Flaring tool
by P10crew - 02/25/20 01:52 PM
Hazet 600LG/8 Wrench set - $160
by drtyler - 02/25/20 01:34 PM
Newest Members
akarip, BJD2020, ToyTaco2002, EarlT500, Newbie111
70801 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
23 registered members (Bjornviken, Best F100, 53' Stude, Amenhotep, Aichiguy, Brian553, 3 invisible), 1,215 guests, and 18 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics301,933
Posts5,205,762
Members70,801
Most Online4,538
Jan 20th, 2020
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T #5334108 01/27/20 07:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
C
chinee Offline OP
OP Offline
C
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
2017 Civic with 24,000 on the odometer, OCI 4,786 miles over 5 months.

Oil capacity is 3.7 qts, which is exactly the amount drained, that plus a small amount in the filter and sent to sample, makes for a very small increase in oil level (due to fuel dilution).

This fill was a Pennzoil Platinum mix, 2.5 qts of 5W30 and 1.25 qts of 0W20, an attempt to use a slightly "thicker" oil to compensate for the anticipated fuel dilution.

Replaced with PP 0W20, didn't try a mix this time, will run another 5K or so.

[Linked Image]

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334156 01/27/20 08:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,385
R
rubberchicken Offline
Offline
R
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,385
Since your in Florida, why not run 100% 5w30 ? Or a 0w30. I would feel perfectly fine with a 5w30.

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334164 01/27/20 08:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,417
O
oldhp Offline
Offline
O
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,417
100% 5W30 if it was my car waaaay down there in da heat zone.


"None of us are getting out here alive.....drink that beer.....eat that pizza......drive that Hot Rod"
"When others cut you down, remember where they came from."
"I don't run...........I just wait"
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334177 01/27/20 08:29 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 14,481
R
Rand Offline
Offline
R
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 14,481
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldnt be surprised if it was closer to 5%

A friend with a CRV 1.5T watches his oil level visibly rise in the winter.

NE OHIO is not exactly MN or BC either.


2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
2020 Hyundai Elantra "Value Edition"
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334188 01/27/20 08:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,695
Marco620 Offline
Offline
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,695
Thanks for posting. As I get ready for new car I think I will run 0w30. Report looks okay, flash point getting a wee bit low.


15' Civic 1.8 i-vtec 311,000 mi M1 0w30 & LG Biotech, BP CVT Fluid,GUMOUT W/ PEA
Doberman Whisperer!
E pluribus unum.

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334194 01/27/20 08:38 PM
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,316
P
parshisa Offline
Offline
P
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,316
With that low of a flashpoint FD is well over 5%. Ok report though, still breaking in engine


'17 Honda Civic 1.5T/ 6MT
'16 Honda Pilot 3.5NA/6AT
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334195 01/27/20 08:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
C
chinee Offline OP
OP Offline
C
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
The recommended oil is 0W20. The first change I did with 5W30 was a knee-jerk reaction after reading about the fuel dilution issues with this engine, thinking a heavier oil would compensate for the fuel dilution (I think I read that somewhere).
With the 2nd oil change, I took the 5W30 I had left over and simply mixed it with the recommended 0W20, just to see what the results would be.... nothing to write home about right?
The current fill is PP 0W20, the recommended oil... let's see how that does. Depending upon the intensity of the fuel odor and the amount of oil in the engine at the next drain, I will then decide whether to stay with 0W20 or go to 5W30 on the next fill.

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334211 01/27/20 08:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,496
G
gregk24 Offline
Offline
G
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 6,496
I can't believe they went with a 3.7 quart sump. That seems very small for all that is required of that engine. Our 1.8 TSI Jetta takes 5.7 quarts.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
60,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
54,xxx miles
Castrol Edge 0w40 / OEM filter
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334395 01/28/20 06:25 AM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 593
M
Matagonka Offline
Offline
M
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 593
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.


2018 Mazda 3 Touring HB 2.5
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: gregk24] #5334483 01/28/20 08:42 AM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 14,406
A
ARCOgraphite Offline
Offline
A
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 14,406
Originally Posted by gregk24
I can't believe they went with a 3.7 quart sump. That seems very small for all that is required of that engine. Our 1.8 TSI Jetta takes 5.7 quarts.



My 1.4T VW is 4L

Oil temp on the DIC is well below boiling most of the time. I have to wail on the boost to get it above 210F.

Hopefully you can get to a 6K or so OCI.

Is this triggered by an OLM?

Last edited by ARCOgraphite; 01/28/20 08:44 AM.

2019 VW Jetta S 6MT OCI#2 7378mi-MOTUL Specific VW508.00+VW Service Filter; '17 Subaru Crosstrek CVT OC#8 60864mi-Subaru Idemitsu 0W20 + SOA Filter
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334616 01/28/20 11:39 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 644
A
ad244 Offline
Offline
A
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 644
Wow, Low flash point

Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: Rand] #5334780 01/28/20 03:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
C
chinee Offline OP
OP Offline
C
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 156
Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

Last edited by chinee; 01/28/20 03:37 PM.
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334803 01/28/20 04:25 PM
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,316
P
parshisa Offline
Offline
P
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,316
Originally Posted by chinee
Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

Oil Analyzers. cheaper and uses GC to measure fuel dilution (no extra charge for TBN)


'17 Honda Civic 1.5T/ 6MT
'16 Honda Pilot 3.5NA/6AT
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: chinee] #5334822 01/28/20 04:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 11,815
wemay Offline
Offline
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 11,815
I can't recall ever seeing a 0W-20 UOA with significant viscosity loss. Your choice of going with the recommended viscosity was a good one imo.


19 VW Passat Wolfsburg TSI (VW Genuine 0W-20+OEM)
13 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T (Shell RGT 5W-30+OEM)
Re: Pennz Plat 5W30, 4,786 miles, 2017 Honda 1.5T [Re: parshisa] #5334913 01/28/20 07:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,265
I
IndyFan Offline
Offline
I
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,265

Originally Posted by parshisa
Originally Posted by chinee
Originally Posted by ad244
Wow, Low flash point

Originally Posted by Matagonka
I bet fuel dilution is higher than they're saying. Look at your viscosity, you're losing it.

You know, I saw these numbers and thought “This can’t be good...”
Originally Posted by Rand
fyi blackstone routinely under-reports fuel dilution because its an indirect?? measurement not a something they distinctly measure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 5%.

I also wasn’t aware that Blackstone’s measurement of fuel dilution might be under-reported... Maybe you can recommend another lab?

Oil Analyzers. cheaper and uses GC to measure fuel dilution (no extra charge for TBN)


Cheaper? Only if you get TBN from Blackstone. $33.90 for Oil Analyzers vs. $28 for Blackstone, without TBN. I don't run long enough OCI's to worry about TBN.


18 Jeep JLUR Wrangler 3.6 29k
15 Ford Transit 129k, Reman 3.5 @85k
17 Jeep Renegade 2.4 22k
08 Jeep Wrangler 3.8 139k
04 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 109k
99 Mercedes E430 Sport 99k
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™