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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5331465 01/25/20 12:03 AM
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Its not the first time we have lost a crew flying a Fire Bomber C130 because of corrosion developing at the wing and fuselage junction due to incomplete maintenance...


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Re: C-130 [Re: BusyLittleShop] #5331471 01/25/20 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BusyLittleShop
Its not the first time we have lost a crew flying a Fire Bomber C130 because of corrosion developing at the wing and fuselage junction due to incomplete maintenance...



If I remember correctly that plane also had the original “A” model wing boxes. At the time of that crash the US military had retired or updated all of its C-130s.


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Re: C-130 [Re: tom slick] #5331485 01/25/20 01:06 AM
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Its not the first time we have lost a crew flying a Fire Bomber C130 because of corrosion developing at the wing and fuselage junction due to incomplete maintenance...



If I remember correctly that plane also had the original “A” model wing boxes. At the time of that crash the US military had retired or updated all of its C-130s.




I believe you're right about original A model... meanwhile Farnborough 2018 the new L100 loops... (frame 12:39)

(Pilot to passengers, look out your side window and note ground above and sky below, welcome to inverted flight.)


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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5331642 01/25/20 09:17 AM
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Wildfires as intense as those occurring in Australia generate their own weather, including severe thunderstorms and even tornados. Flying any aircraft directly into a tornado, even one as stout as a C-130, will likely have catastrophic consequences.

Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333047 01/26/20 07:41 PM
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This is not about some "A" model or what ever, the planes are flat a bad design, for flying with alot of weight the wings should not be over slung. And if your going to use a high wing design then build them like a cessna with wing struts.
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-removes-c-130s-from-service-after-finding-cracks-2019-8
The wings look like they are very low surface area, and thus very highly loaded.

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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333075 01/26/20 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Exhaustgases
This is not about some "A" model or what ever, the planes are flat a bad design, for flying with alot of weight the wings should not be over slung. And if your going to use a high wing design then build them like a cessna with wing struts.
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-removes-c-130s-from-service-after-finding-cracks-2019-8
The wings look like they are very low surface area, and thus very highly loaded.


Bull. It is an outstanding aircraft. It would unsettle you to know how many different aircraft, such as commercial aircraft, have cracks discovered that need fixed. They'll fix them and get them flying again. There is a reason they inspect aircraft for cracks, and the big one is that they are made with aluminum. All aircraft undergo inspection after a certain number of hours for these kinds of problems. These things are flying trucks, and they get and take LOTS of abuse. And the C130 does not have a particularly high wing loading.


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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333120 01/26/20 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Exhaustgases
This is not about some "A" model or what ever, the planes are flat a bad design, for flying with alot of weight the wings should not be over slung. And if your going to use a high wing design then build them like a cessna with wing struts.
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-removes-c-130s-from-service-after-finding-cracks-2019-8
The wings look like they are very low surface area, and thus very highly loaded.


I’m sorry, you’re completely wrong on this.

The C-130 is one of the toughest, most durable, and most versatile airplanes ever built. It first flew in 1956.

A few older ones have crashed, due to poor maintenance, but it’s been in service for over 50 years. New models are still being built. No other airplane in the world has ever been in service, or production, for this long.

That’s how good the airplane is.

Want to see some serious C-130 flying? Watch the Blue Angels’ Fat Albert do a JATO takeoff - simply awesome.


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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333142 01/26/20 09:07 PM
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Astro, I'm also amazed at how short they can land and stop!



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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333208 01/26/20 10:24 PM
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The USMC, USAF and USCG are picking up another 50 C-130J variants, the last of which will be delivered in 2025. The following year a customer will take delivery of one when the C-130 line turns 70 years old. There are probably families in Marietta that have had three generations work on the C-130. A badly designed workhorse transport could not last 70+ years.
https://janes.com/article/93674/pentagon-awards-lockheed-martin-c-130j-multiyear-contract

Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333232 01/26/20 11:01 PM
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The old DC-6's are a better plane.
Then there is this one that is a recent downing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chilean_Air_Force_C-130_crash
The stronger airframe was C-97/ KC-97 much better than a C-130.

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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333254 01/26/20 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Exhaustgases
The old DC-6's are a better plane.
Then there is this one that is a recent downing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chilean_Air_Force_C-130_crash
The stronger airframe was C-97/ KC-97 much better than a C-130.


Sorry dude, you are a lone voice screaming against a torrent of disagreement, it might be time to man up and just admit you are completely wrong in your assertion. You've had multiple US military vets and an active US military pilot tell you that's the case and nobody in their right might would take your impotent posturing over the data they've presented.


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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333261 01/26/20 11:40 PM
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C130s live on and on like the old DC3... Herky Turds are you're modern day Goony Birds...

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Astro, I'm also amazed at how short they can land and stop!


Yeah, they can get in and out of places many planes cannot, particularly with the JATO system on them. Before our local runway was lengthened the only military planes that would land there were C-130's, coming in for training from CFB Trenton. The big Herc is the backbone of our transport operations and a vet I work with spent quite a bit of time in them including some pretty crazy long hauls when he was stationed in Germany.

Couple Canuck vids of the old girl in action. 2nd vid is a plane commissioned in 1965 doing its last flight before retirement.




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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333292 01/27/20 12:13 AM
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Re: C-130 [Re: Exhaustgases] #5333341 01/27/20 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Exhaustgases
The old DC-6's are a better plane.
Then there is this one that is a recent downing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chilean_Air_Force_C-130_crash
The stronger airframe was C-97/ KC-97 much better than a C-130.


The DC-6 had a horrific crash record.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Douglas_DC-6

Notably killing presidents of countries, the UN Secretary General, Dag Hammarakjold, and generally without survivors after in flight fires. The turbo-charged engines had a terrible reliability record, and caught fire or failed with depressing regularity.

Several crashes per year. Several dozen crashes during its brief 12 year production run.

You can’t be serious in your claim that the DC-6 was better...


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