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Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI #4891841 10/09/18 10:39 AM
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Lab Number              YD7066        YJ2918
Sample Date             03/03/2018    09/22/2018
Unit                    15122         30237
Oil                     15122         15125
Type                    Factory Fill  Pentosin SP-III
Tin                     0             0
Lead                    1             1
Copper                  33            17
Aluminum                9             8
Silicon                 22            7
Iron                    25            19
Chromium                0.8           0.8
Silver                  0             0
Zinc                    805           825
Magnesium               6             8
Nickel                  0             0
Barium                  0             0
Sodium                  4             1
Calcium                 1700          1600
Vanadium                1             0
Phosphorus              615           664
Molybdenum              0             0
Boron                   3             1
Manganese               5             0
Viscosity(D445)@100*C   11.38         11.77
Water(D4007) (%v/v)     0             0
Solids(D4007) (%v/v)    <0.1          <0.1
Glycol                  No            No
Fuel Dilution           No            No
Oil Changed?            Yes           Yes


Just got my results for the second change interval on this car, this is the first UOA I have on the SP-III which is the oil I am hoping to use for extended drain intervals once the warranty is up so I'm planning to get a few baseline UOAs on the shorter factory change intervals.

The copper seems a little high to me - should I worry?

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Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4891864 10/09/18 10:59 AM
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Looks to me like the copper is going down. I would attribute that to engine breaking in.


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Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4892340 10/09/18 08:31 PM
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I agree, and wouldn't worry. Those are kilometres, too, and the vehicle is essentially brand new.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4892351 10/09/18 08:42 PM
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i have the same engine in my Jetta , its really a good compromise between power and mpg . i have 50,000 miles and it runs perfect .

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4892359 10/09/18 08:54 PM
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i have the same engine in my Jetta , its really a good compromise between power and mpg . i have 50,000 miles and it runs perfect .

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4897012 10/15/18 11:04 AM
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Thanks - I'll give the copper another change interval and see how it's doing. I know often times new parts have some residual copper that'll show up on the analysis I guess I just thought it would all wash out in the first change interval.

I'm happy with all the other numbers though. My driving is mostly highway but I'm a believer in the Italian tune-up so I make sure to wind it up to 6000RPM at least a couple times a day.

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4900852 10/20/18 02:40 AM
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Your first change with the Pentosin seems an eerily similar formula to the factory fill. If you have an oil cooler that is brazed, that might be the copper.

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4903650 10/23/18 05:23 AM
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The copper is trending down with good overall metal wear rates, and shear stable.
Is the recommended factory extended service intervals basing on service indicator around 30,000 km ?

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #4906220 10/25/18 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zero10
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have on the SP-III which is the oil I am hoping to use for extended drain intervals once the warranty is up so I'm planning to get a few baseline UOAs on the shorter factory change intervals.


I have this same engine, and my results aren't that different. Wear metals were single digit by the 3rd oil change. Question though: without TBN, how will you know if you can extend the interval?

With a direct injection turbo engine, I'm not sure how much more you'll really be able to extend the OCI over the factory recommendation with a low-saps 504/507 rated oil.

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5322596 01/14/20 03:40 PM
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Lab Number              YD7066        YJ2918            ZG5744            ZL5997
Sample Date             03/03/2018    09/22/2018        04/13/2019        11/10/2019
Unit                    15122         30237             45046             59986
Oil                     15122         15125             14809             14940
Type                    Factory Fill  Pentosin SP-III   Pentosin SP-III   Pentosin SP-III
Tin                     0             0                 1                 0
Lead                    1             1                 1                 1
Copper                  33            17                9                 5
Aluminum                9             8                 6                 4
Silicon                 22            7                 3                 3
Iron                    25            19                16                14
Chromium                0.8           0.8               0.5               0.4
Silver                  0             0                 0                 0
Zinc                    805           825               857               861
Magnesium               6             8                 7                 7
Nickel                  0             0                 0                 0
Barium                  0             0                 0                 0
Sodium                  4             1                 1                 1
Calcium                 1700          1600              1650              1600
Vanadium                1             0                 1.5               0
Phosphorus              615           664               698               662
Molybdenum              0             0                 0                 0
Boron                   3             1                 70                235
Manganese               5             0                 0.8               0
Viscosity(D445)@100*C   11.38         11.77             12.05             11.5
Water(D4007) (%v/v)     0             0                 0                 0
Solids(D4007) (%v/v)    <0.1          0                 0                 0
Glycol                  No            No                No                No
Fuel Dilution           No            No                No                No
Oil Changed?            Yes           Yes               Yes               Yes


A quick update, I've had a couple samples since the last time I posted.

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5327815 01/20/20 12:01 PM
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Looks nice. Any oil consumption between changes? Did you fill in an additional bor additive or did pentosin/fuchs add bor to their formula?

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5328634 01/21/20 10:35 AM
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I always fill just over the full line (I tend to overshoot by a mm or two) and by the end of the oil change interval it's at about 25% of the way from low to full. I'd say ~0.75L of loss during the oil change interval. Drive cycle is about 75% highway 25% city, 130km/day round-trip. I make sure to wind it right up to the limiter at least once a day and there are some long hills where I have 30ish seconds of WOT in 5th gear.

The boron is really confusing because along side the ZG5744 sample I also sent in a virgin sample for analysis and it came back showing ~500ppm of boron. They called me up confused, asking if I was absolutely sure that it was the same oil I had used because it made no sense to them. I bought 3 5L jugs at the same time, the engine takes ~6-6.5L of oil so it's always 1 jug plus a bit from another... I think one of my jugs has higher boron and I can't explain why.

Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5330487 01/23/20 04:34 PM
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wow very nicely done! 1ppm iron per 1000 km in the latest sample. hard to argue with that!


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Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5331266 01/24/20 05:25 PM
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Pentosin SPIII is probably one of best VW504.00/507.00 oils. Last time I checked it was also PAO based.


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Re: Pentosin SP-III 15125km, 2017 Golf 1.8TSI [Re: zero10] #5334265 01/27/20 09:44 PM
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This is a 5w30 or 5w40? I have the Pento-high performance II 5w40 in my old BMW at the moment.


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