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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: The Critic] #5331192 01/24/20 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jayjr1105

The J-series are extremely picky on oil if they have VCM, which this one does. All of the older J-series VCM equipped engines that I've seen tend to consume significant amounts of oil as they get older.

I would change the oil at least every 5K.


i disabled the VCM - not a fan of it smile2

Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331215 01/24/20 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Skier
Originally Posted by jayjr1105

The J-series are extremely picky on oil if they have VCM, which this one does. All of the older J-series VCM equipped engines that I've seen tend to consume significant amounts of oil as they get older.

I would change the oil at least every 5K.


i disabled the VCM - not a fan of it smile2

Smart move; VCM tends to beat up oil.

IMO, with VCM disabled, Pennzoil syns should have no issue doing 8k mile OCIs.


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331216 01/24/20 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skier
I've been doing a 6K OCI on my 2013 Pilot when the 20% light comes on - We have owned the Pilot for a year and are putting about 16k a year on it. Engine has 100k and is not burning any oil between changes.

Been thinking of doing a 8k OCI and just doing it April and October to make it simple. Does anyone see a problem with this ?

And is there any benefit to using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum over regular Pennzoil Platinum for this OCI ?

thank you !



Honda sees no problem with up to 10K based on the OLM.

As was said earlier with no timing chain and gears to chew up the oil, the mill is easy on it.

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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331341 01/24/20 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Skier
Originally Posted by jayjr1105

The J-series are extremely picky on oil if they have VCM, which this one does. All of the older J-series VCM equipped engines that I've seen tend to consume significant amounts of oil as they get older.

I would change the oil at least every 5K.


i disabled the VCM - not a fan of it smile2

Good choice, I have mine disabled as well.


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331342 01/24/20 07:50 PM
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On my J35 2015 Accord i disables VCM and it is very easy on oil. Also, my car doesn’t burn oil like a lot of them do


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: hallstevenson] #5331431 01/24/20 10:15 PM
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Honda still says to change the oil filter (under most conditions*) every other oil change. If folks look up Honda's "A" service, it says "change engine oil" while a "B" means change the oil and filter. They determine these routines using a Honda-branded filter too, certainly, so even an FU filter isn't needed (although they only cost $1-2 than a Honda filter).


Completely agree, and I was aware of that as well. However, my 2 cents was based on OP's looking for reassurance that he would be OK at "extended" mileages for OCIs. Considering the mess the Odyssey filter makes by draining all over the subframe rail, I would avoid changes on it too! thumbsup


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5331438 01/24/20 10:25 PM
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Considering the mess the Odyssey filter makes by draining all over the subframe rail, I would avoid changes on it too! thumbsup

Just need one of these.

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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331440 01/24/20 10:27 PM
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easy - take some aluminum foil and fold it over a couple of times and voila...... old tractor oil drain trick.

Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331472 01/24/20 11:21 PM
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I will never understand why one would change the oil and not the filter....

I also largely think the OLM is mainly useless, especially in a vehicle utilizing synthetic spec'd for conventional. To the best of my knowledge (and please enlighten me if I'm wrong) there is not a single car that actually analyzes the viscosity of the oil. The OLM is always based on mileage, coolant temp, load, avg trip length, intake air temp, ign cycles, idle time etc.

IMHO, if you want to nerd out (and I currently am) do a fresh oil AND FILTER change on the car with your desired lube. Run the mileage the manufacturer considers "Severe conditions". Draw a sample through the dipstick, send it off. That will more than likely pass with flying colours. Continue running it until you reach the "Normal" OCI. Again take a sample through the tube and send it off. Based off of that now, you can decide weather or not to change it or not. If you continue I would resample in 2500-3000 mile increments until you reached the end of the oil life. That is now your maximum mileage you can go on that oil or 1yr, whichever comes first.

Run another 2 or three OCI'S after that and resample. If that is successful, I might run a UOA once every year or two just to keep an eye on things.

Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331495 01/25/20 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Skier
i feel comfortable doing it - i just wanted to make sure it wasn't a really bad idea. The onwers manual says 7500 but the maint minder comes on about 6k with my wifes city driving. I had all the service records from the previous owner and they were doing it about 8-9k but I think they did more country driving based on where they lived.

also the manual says I can do the filter every other time - never done that on any car but I do run WIX.


Where in the manual does it say 7500 mi? I can't find it.

I thought all modern Hondas did away with mile based intervals, and only use the Maintenance Minder.

http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/ZA1313/ZA1313OM.PDF


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: STIcandy] #5331671 01/25/20 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by STIcandy
The OLM is always based on mileage, coolant temp, load, avg trip length, intake air temp, ign cycles, idle time etc.

IMHO, if you want to nerd out (and I currently am) do a fresh oil AND FILTER change on the car with your desired lube. Run the mileage the manufacturer considers "Severe conditions". Draw a sample through the dipstick, send it off. That will more than likely pass with flying colours. Continue running it until you reach the "Normal" OCI. Again take a sample through the tube and send it off. Based off of that now, you can decide weather or not to change it or not. If you continue I would resample in 2500-3000 mile increments until you reached the end of the oil life. That is now your maximum mileage you can go on that oil or 1yr, whichever comes first.

It's almost certain that Honda (and other automakers) did exactly things like this, with hundreds or more of vehicles, in varying driving conditions, to develop their MM. They also probably use non-synthetic oils in their evaluation and still err on the side of caution by telling the vehicle an oil change is due well before it really might be. Anyone would be crazy to think the automaker is going to trust the average vehicle owner to always change the oil when it's 100%, absolutely necessary. Nope, they're going to build plenty of cushion in !

Look at the majority of reports from the oil analyses posted here. The majority indicate "go more miles". Or, everyone (wants to) think they're special and their driving conditions are "severe" but they're really not. People overrate how hard on an engine it is that does city driving and want to automatically call that "severe" but OLMs (that track oil temperature, idling, trip distance, etc) just laugh and keep the vehicle in "normal" conditions. Unless you're towing and what-not, don't worry. And lastly,

Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5331673 01/25/20 08:48 AM
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thanks for all the helpful advice everyone smile2

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Considering the mess the Odyssey filter makes by draining all over the subframe rail, I would avoid changes on it too! thumbsup

Just need one of these.

Looks like you can just cut out the bottom of a 5qt jug and make one of those yourself. Is that permanently there?


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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: jayjr1105] #5331932 01/25/20 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jayjr1105
[quote=The Critic]Looks like you can just cut out the bottom of a 5qt jug and make one of those yourself. Is that permanently there?

It's a factory tool from Honda. They have them for a bunch of their cars. It sticks on with a magnet.

Here's a link to the Odyssey one:

https://www.bernardiparts.com/Products/Honda-Oil-Drain-Deflector-Red__VSB02C000049.aspx

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Re: Honda Pilot OCI - Pennzoil Platinum [Re: Skier] #5332181 01/25/20 07:38 PM
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*There are benefits to using Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic vs. Platinum Plus synthetic - online from WM you can find good deals .


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