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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5330666 01/23/20 08:23 PM
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Reality is, if it concerns anyone in the least, don't use it. Asking the question again and trying to regurgitate it doesn't change what has been the case for a long time. And that is the oil works just fine. Take it or leave it. Cheers2

Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: blupupher] #5330817 01/24/20 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
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Its on the bottle on their latest T6 15w-40
No it is not.
Show me where it says Certified (not meets requirements of) JASO MA/MA2 on the bottle.
Show me the JASO label on the bottle with the JASO number on it.
This is what the bottle says:
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And there is no JASO label that would look like this one on Honda oil:
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Again, not saying it is not a good oil for motorcycles, because it is, but it is not a certified JASO MA/MA2 oil.
Shell just says it is safe to use in JASO MA/MA2 applications, which we have probably millions of miles on bikes using this oil with no oil related issues.

Those that seem to get their panties in a wad over this need to get over it.
Use it with no concerns, but if you use it and there is any issue that could be even slightly related to oil and bike is under warranty, you are probably out of luck.


Exactly ^^^ Shell has never been published as a Jaso Oil on the Jaso website. Shell does not print the Jaso symbol on its bottles for that reason.

With that said, Jaso states something along the lines of the oil company REGISTERING their oil that it complies with Jaso standards so I am not so sure that Jaso actually tests and "approves" oils vs the companies registering as it meets their requirements.

Either way, Im sure its all good if the oil company is stating it does but I do agree 100% that is it not a Jaso MA oil unless the oil is published on Jasos website and carries the Jaso symbol. I pointed this out many times about Mobile 1 oils too where Valvolines bottles has the actual Jaso symbol on some of their oils, I think the 20/50 or maybe the 10/40 4 stroke ( I forgot which one since my current bike doesnt require it)

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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: jayjr1105] #5330819 01/24/20 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jayjr1105
Rotella T4 15w40 and T6 5w40 are both JASO MA/MA2 certified. I use it in two honda ranchers with electronic shift.


No its not ^^ read above^^
You will not find the Jaso MA trademark symbol on a bottle of Shell Rotella oil.


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5331055 01/24/20 12:27 PM
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The reason I raised the concern is regarding warranty approval for a suspect lube failure. If the Motorcycle OEM specified that a JASO MA oil was needed, and a non-registered JASO oil was all that was recorded as being used, the risk for claim denial may be higher. Not a relevant concern for many as I am sure a lot of us are riding bikes well out of warranty. And of course not saying Rotella isnt a quality MC lube.

Below is the MA2 approval markings I am accustom to seeing. Includes the registration number.

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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5331180 01/24/20 03:17 PM
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I also have understood that if it doesn't have the JASO label on it, that it meets the specs but is not officially approved or certified. In other words, the oil manufacturer states that the oil provides equivalent performance but won't ponying up for the cost of testing and certification. I'm pretty sure Shell would not put its reputation on the line unless the product is very good. Thousands of motorcyclists can attest to the good value and performance. Use Rotella MA/MA2 oils with confidence.


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5331476 01/24/20 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BBDartCA
The reason I raised the concern is regarding warranty approval for a suspect lube failure. If the Motorcycle OEM specified that a JASO MA oil was needed, and a non-registered JASO oil was all that was recorded as being used, the risk for claim denial may be higher. Not a relevant concern for many as I am sure a lot of us are riding bikes well out of warranty. And of course not saying Rotella isnt a quality MC lube.

Below is the MA2 approval markings I am accustom to seeing. Includes the registration number.

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I get what you're saying, and it is a valid concern. Having a lubricant based failure on a modern motorcycle from a reputable manufacturer is nearly non existent. As long as you are using a quality oil from a reputable company, that meets or exceeds the specifications for you're motorcycle, and changing the oil at appropriate intervals, you have nothing to worry about.

Even if you were to have a warranty claim linked to a potentially failed lubricant and you were denied coverage, you could contest their findings. This would then fall on the manufacturer to prove that the failure was caused by the lubricant, and not any other possibilities.

In essence, use a quality oil from a reputable manufacturer, that meets the manufactures specs, changed at the recommended intervals, and your odds of a lubricant based failure will be negligible.


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5331666 01/25/20 08:43 AM
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Help me recall, however I believe it's been shared somewhere on the forum at one point or another that Shell has said via email response they will back an oil related failure when their product is used in a situation they certify it for use. Probably laughing all the way at every email they get from someone, lol.

Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5331668 01/25/20 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BBDartCA
Did any of the Rotella products ever have an actual JASO MA license /approval? ...
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf


No


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: Analyzer] #5331805 01/25/20 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Analyzer
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I get what you're saying, and it is a valid concern. Having a lubricant based failure on a modern motorcycle from a reputable manufacturer is nearly non existent.


I agree and dissaree. Agree that lube failures due to oil quality are normally unlikely in modern motorcycles. But disagree on warranty rejection. OEMs, when they have a big expensive problem, will sometimes, maybe more often than not, look for loopholes to deny claims. In a very specific case, Moto Guzzi had a disaster with the 8v 1200 cams going flat. While they were trying to figure out what was going on and weasel their way out of responsibility, excuses like “unapprpved Oil” were used to deny claims (the fix was horribly expensive and they administered it very poorly). I see countless other examples but they are not shareable in the public domain.


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5332073 01/25/20 05:30 PM
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Ironic, when something is wrong mechanically with a design or a flaw that causes an oil-related problem, you just need to have an oil that meets the manufacturers requirements in the engine. Has nothing to do with the oil being a "good" oil or a "bad" oil based on analysis or other measure of oil quality.

Thanks for the example of Moto Guzzi.

Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5332628 01/26/20 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BBDartCA
The reason I raised the concern is regarding warranty approval for a suspect lube failure. If the Motorcycle OEM specified that a JASO MA oil was needed, and a non-registered JASO oil was all that was recorded as being used, the risk for claim denial may be higher. Not a relevant concern for many as I am sure a lot of us are riding bikes well out of warranty. And of course not saying Rotella isnt a quality MC lube.

Below is the MA2 approval markings I am accustom to seeing. Includes the registration number.

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Correct and nothing wrong with your thinking.
Valvoline 4 stroke 20/50 has the same.


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Re: Did Rotella Ever Have JASO MA Certification? [Re: BBDartCA] #5332996 01/26/20 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BBDartCA
While they were trying to figure out what was going on and weasel their way out of responsibility, excuses like “unapprpved Oil” were used to deny claims (the fix was horribly expensive and they administered it very poorly).


Unapproved oil is an excuse...

Your Honor, I argue the manufacture's claim is indefensible because ruffly 6.8 % of an new oil change is contaminated with undrained oil... mix in the contamination of multi oil changes and you must deceived in favor of my client...

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