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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328511 01/21/20 08:37 AM
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I'd ditch the F350 as I hate rust.

Anyhow. Just to play devil's advocate here. How many miles per year? Whenever I ask on here about moving my stuff around, the recommendation is always to quit owning stuff and just rent when I need it. $20-30k should be a pretty big kitty for renting for several years I'd think.

Getting past that... What about a Suburban or similar? 4 doors, so you can take your friends. Or to just use the interior for stuff you want locked up.

I'm guessing a full sized van is out? Those can be decent towing vehicles while having gobs of interior space. Punch a hole in the side and vent your generator out that (after bolting it down of course) and now you have a portable shop.

Edit: Used of course is what I'm thinking about. Fly south and find a 2WD version to drive home.

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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328519 01/21/20 08:49 AM
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Sounds like a rusty money pit.

Finding a base model work truck will be difficult. My advice for finding something price-wise would be to look for something similar in size, maybe slightly newer, but from down south. You can find amazing deals on trucks that may have 100k+ miles, but are spotless underneath and drive well.

Buying a new truck in the northeast is a huge waste of money, because trucks these days are insanely expensive, and after 10 years in a place like upstate NY they will be rusted out already. Something like fluid film will slow the development of rust, but the corrosion still gets into wiring, the engine bay, and places you can't just coat with oil. My Jeep Wrangler TJ I got from California. It's a 1998 and looks newer underneath than many 3 year old vehicles here in CT, and it was cheaper than the cheapest TJ I could find here that had frame issues. A friend just did a similar thing with a truck from Georgia.


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328521 01/21/20 08:52 AM
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There's a big gap between 20-30k and a rust bucket with major mechanical issues. Maybe a more modestly priced truck would be a better value for you?

Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328539 01/21/20 09:11 AM
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It’s a cancer ridden patient on its last leg ! RIP! Buy a new rig!


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328548 01/21/20 09:18 AM
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Do they still have vinyl seats as a option in new trucks?


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328579 01/21/20 10:03 AM
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My advise is to start looking at fleet auctions outside the rust belt for your next ride if you are wanting a 3/4 ton or higher base model truck in your price range. Plenty of utility companies and the like start to send their trucks to auction around the 50K mark. Engine hours may also be higher, but most will have had the scheduled basic fleet maintenance done to them.


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328735 01/21/20 01:39 PM
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Lots of good input here. I'd be looking later this year early spring 2021.

For only a few thousand towing miles a year, I would probably be okay with something small and light. I am aware that everything rides on the axle shaft on the lighter trucks and as they wear, you'll have seal issues. However, I personally drive about 20K miles per year. I would like around 20MPG if possible. The F350 gets 14-16. Subaru is high 20s.

I had considered a used HD truck, but they are still fashion accessories and finding a good used one for $15-20K is impossible or in the same condition as what I have. People really hold on to them. The biggest plus , for me, to 3/4+ trucks is they are emissions exempt here in NY. So I don't have to fight the check engine light to get it to pass inspection.

Fully boxed frames here in NY are a death sentence. Unfortunately, every truck now has them. The C channel frames will scale and scale and scale but usually won't break on the 3/4+ sized trucks.

I could get a brand new Ranger optioned exactly how I want for $31K. The GM WT 1/2 ton seems to be a few $k more with the 4.3 but it can tow also.

A van would be the most practical option, but not exactly the best DD. I have some friends who tow their Jeeps with vans and it's such an awesome setup! You have room for spare parts, you can camp in it and they're cheap. But they're all way too tall to fit in my garage.

As for renting, I was thinking about renting from Enterprise Commercial for the maine trip. It would be about $600 for the 3 days, so that kind of eliminates that for me. I'll probably take that one with the Subaru and popup.

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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328749 01/21/20 01:52 PM
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For 20k miles a year and your desire for midsize, perhaps the 2.8 colorado/canyon diesel would be ideal. Some people can get 30mpg unloaded, towing is probably in the 10-15 mpg range of course.


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328794 01/21/20 02:51 PM
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You can find pretty nice 2008-2012 F250's and F350's in Texas for way under $10,000

I recently bought a decent 1997 F350 XLT Dually (5-speed, 460 7.5L gas V8.. last year for it!) with 4 new tires on it for only $2,000... and it's in better shape than your black F350.


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Linctex] #5328861 01/21/20 04:24 PM
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The canonado trucks are nice and the little Duramax in them seems to perform well. But I'm very, very afraid of modern electronic emissions diesels.


Originally Posted by Linctex
You can find pretty nice 2008-2012 F250's and F350's in Texas for way under $10,000

I recently bought a decent 1997 F350 XLT Dually (5-speed, 460 7.5L gas V8.. last year for it!) with 4 new tires on it for only $2,000... and it's in better shape than your black F350.


Friend of mine did that. Bought a 1996 F350 460 / 5 speed / 4x4 crew cab long bed out of texas and drove it home. I wish i had the time to be able to do something like that!


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328862 01/21/20 04:25 PM
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Mid 30's? That will buy a brand new work truck, no need to go pre-owned.

At the risk of being a fanboy, I have to mention the base model "work truck" Ford F-150 XL but just add the STX sport appearance package it brings a whole lot of useful items for not much money but one of the options STX pkg brings is 20" alloy rims which you may not want if you're after steel wheels. The 325hp/400 lb-ft 2.7 ecoboost V6 designed to use regular 87 unleaded is only about a $999 option and about same mpg as the base 3.3 liter naturally aspirated V6. If an extended cab will work instead of crew cab and you don't mind the clamshell rear doors Ford uses on the extended cab, it's not a bad setup, and there's left over 2019's in this config still on dealer lots which can be had for around $31K + TTL in 4x4 drivetrain with locking diff, etc. The light weight from the all aluminum 5 star crash body plus the power of the 2.7, they drive pretty quick and nimble for a truck.



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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5328902 01/21/20 05:26 PM
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i don't blame ya on the diesel concerns. Gas is more predicable and stable albeit higher fuel costs per mile, and i'm good with that myself. Then i go back to my original recommendation, silverado custom 5.3 6 speed. The F150s are excellent trucks too but likely cost more depending on incentives in your market. GM flooding the discounts right now.


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Here is a basic search for some new 3/4 tons:

RAM 2500: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...kTypId=28880&trId=49303&zc=54904

F250: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=21115&mkId=20015&page=1&perPage=50&prMx=40000&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&sort=year-oldest&stkTypId=28880&trId=25777%2C29632&zc=54904

Nissan Titan XD (a nice in-between of a half ton and 3/4 ton): https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...elevance&stkTypId=28880&zc=54904

Chevy 2500: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=22128&mkId=20053&page=1&perPage=50&prMx=40000&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28880&yrId=35797618%2C36362520&zc=54904

GMC 2500: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=22107&mkId=20061&page=1&perPage=50&prMx=40000&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&sort=year-oldest&stkTypId=28880&yrId=35797618%2C36362520&zc=54904

Your best value is with a RAM. Just rust-proof it with some Fluid Film every year. The one I linked to earlier has a Cummins (good dealer, too).

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There are new 2019 Dodge errr.... Ram 1500 ext cabs advertised around here for $22-$24k. The ones I've seen are 2wd v6 but often have the chrome bumpers and the vinyl floor. The single cabs were around $20k


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Re: Should I Stick With My Truck? Buy "new"? [Re: Miller88] #5329143 01/21/20 10:12 PM
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Crack out a calculator.

Cost to maintain, insure, and register a truck and the Subaru. And cost of gas per year.

Then calculate the cost of a truck doing the commuting and only having insurance and maintenance on it. Might make sense to just have it.

Here's a 4x4 brand new Silverado 2500 for $33.8k

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