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MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface #5326137 01/18/20 09:53 AM
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I'm on a 12 year old hand-me-down MacBook Pro. It's dying.
It can no longer be updated.

BORING: It came with Garage Band, Microsoft AutoUpdate, Microsoft Document Connection, Microsoft Messenger, Microsoft Excel & Word, Time Machine, Remote Desktop Connection, iMovie, Photo Booth, Notes-Reminder-Calendar-Contacts, iPhoto, Safari, Messages, Mail, Dashboard, App Store, Launchpad, Finder.

I use Dashboard occasionally for the calculator
I use Mail everyday
I use iPhoto
I use Contacts and Calendar
And a few files are on Word and Excel.
I installed Chrome years ago. It fails to open pictures at an ever increasing rate.

I looked at the largest Microsoft Surface machine and it appears to come with nothing installed.
For example, I'd have to use a $20 per month subscription to play with my photos beyond cropping and mailing them.
Someday I would like to edit some video clips.

Is there a menu list somewhere for laptops or is functionality all based in the cloud such that subscriptions are now the norm?

Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326145 01/18/20 10:02 AM
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You can buy standalone versions of Word and Excel. I suspect you need neither app though. Upload your DOC and XLS files to Google's "office" cloud apps and convert them. Their tools are quite powerful and probably suitable for 90+ % of MS Office users.

Not sure what extent of functionality you need beyond "playing with photos" so can't comment further on that.

Chrome is a web browser. Why would you use it to open photos ?

Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326166 01/18/20 10:24 AM
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If you like your Mac, get another. People love 'em. Really good for editing pictures and videos.
I am not sure what cloud service is $20 per month; that sounds high.
Perhaps you are talking about Office?

The Surface is a high end computer, like the Mac. There are a world of other choices in the Windows world.

Depending on what your needs are, a Chromebook might be a solution.
I love my Chromie for everyday stuff but I do serious programming on a high end Dell.



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Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326179 01/18/20 10:35 AM
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If a Microsoft Surface lasts the 12 years that your Mac has, you will have spent $2,880 on that $20 per month subscription. Perhaps you should consider another Mac to avoid the cost of subscription software. If you want to work in a Windows environment, you can boot the Mac to run Windows and still have the ability to use Mail, iPhoto, Contacts, etc., with which you are familiar, that will easily migrate to a new Mac.

Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326183 01/18/20 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kira

For example, I'd have to use a $20 per month subscription to play with my photos beyond cropping and mailing them.
Someday I would like to edit some video clips.


?!

May I ask who wants to charge you that kind of money for something that there are LOADS of no-cost applications to do?

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I love Linux and I love ChromeOS and would never pay the kind of money you're talking about. I'd rather take a nice vacation.


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Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326234 01/18/20 11:36 AM
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I have an older Surface Pro 5 and love it. It's a great iPad and portable machine. Came from the Mac side of things and, well, they now are WAY overpriced and have less functionality than a decent Windows machine.

The photo tools that come from MS are basic but get the job done. There are plenty of options that are not subscription: Affinity Photo, Photoshop Elements, ACDSee, etc. All offer lots of editing functionality for cheap and no subscription. Even the Adobe suite of Lightroom and Photoshop is $10/mo and probably would be overkill for you. Darktable is a free option that seems highly regarded.

If you want video editing on a personal level DaVinci Resolve is an awesome FREE package for personal use.

The subscription version of Office comes with 1TB of Onedrive so it's like buying storage and getting Office free.

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Originally Posted by csandste
I love Linux and I love ChromeOS and would never pay the kind of money you're talking about. I'd rather take a nice vacation.

Chrome OS *is* Linux smile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS

Re: MacBook Pro to Microsoft Surface [Re: Kira] #5326413 01/18/20 03:19 PM
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As said, there are free options out there.

I've used both OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I don't have any particular preference as to which is better, but know that there are die-hard adherents to both out there. I haven't used recent versions, but have used some older versions of both. I've found them a bit clunky but at the end of the day just as capable for most tasks as MS Office. I have no doubt that newer versions have improved over what I've used in the past.

If you buy a new Mac and/or are running a reasonably current OS, you have access to iWork(Numbers, Pages, and Keynote) for free. In a sense, I find iWork to be the opposite of the FOSS equivalents-all the programs are very polished, elegant, and easy to use but ultimately not as capable. That's not a huge deal as, for example, most people don't even scratch the surface of what Excel is capable of doing. I find it easier to get nicely "polished" presentations in Keynote vs. PowerPoint.


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I would get another Mac. They stay current longer.

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You should check out the iPad Pro with the Smart Cover with keyboard. That compares better to the Surface. I know people who went from laptops to the iPad Pro and they would never go back.

It depends on what you want to do with it.


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I love Linux and I love ChromeOS and would never pay the kind of money you're talking about. I'd rather take a nice vacation.

Chrome OS *is* Linux smile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS

OK, I love Ubuntu Mate and I love ChromeOS . If you're counting my ChromOS as Linux, then we can throw my Android phone in there too. Point is I don't buy aps and I don't pay thousands to rent them either.

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Originally Posted by PimTac
You should check out the iPad Pro with the Smart Cover with keyboard. That compares better to the Surface. I know people who went from laptops to the iPad Pro and they would never go back.

It depends on what you want to do with it.


That folks would go from laptops to iPads makes no real sense to me. Even with a few “folders” on the ipad and iCloud drove, it’s nothing close to a real file system.

Personally I’d just buy another Mac. As I recall, the surface does have a file system and something more capable then iOS, but as I also recall, they’re pretty expensive to get high functionality compared to other (windows/windows functionality) laptops.

I’d but a Mac and dual boot to windows if needed.

I routinely run a 2010 MacBook Air and have no issues with photos, including 25MB+ FX full frame digital photos. I also run chrome as one of my browsers, and other than being a memory hog with lots of tabs, it works fine and loads photos.

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Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by PimTac
You should check out the iPad Pro with the Smart Cover with keyboard. That compares better to the Surface. I know people who went from laptops to the iPad Pro and they would never go back.

It depends on what you want to do with it.


That folks would go from laptops to iPads makes no real sense to me. Even with a few “folders” on the ipad and iCloud drove, it’s nothing close to a real file system.

Personally I’d just buy another Mac. As I recall, the surface does have a file system and something more capable then iOS, but as I also recall, they’re pretty expensive to get high functionality compared to other (windows/windows functionality) laptops.

I’d but a Mac and dual boot to windows if needed.

I routinely run a 2010 MacBook Air and have no issues with photos, including 25MB+ FX full frame digital photos. I also run chrome as one of my browsers, and other than being a memory hog with lots of tabs, it works fine and loads photos.


iPad pro is awful. Beautiful hardware, but iPad OS is just terrible. I agree that not having a real file system is the #1 issue with it.


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