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Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? #5325659 01/17/20 07:58 PM
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About a year and a half ago, I did three separate drain and fills on my 2005 Odyssey with Valvoline Maxlife ATF, effectively doing a complete flush. In that year and a half the van has been running and shifting just fine. I'd like to start doing 3 quarts again every year or so but unsure if I should stick with Maxlife or slowly get back to DW-1. I know this is a big debate on whether you should stick with honda stock tranny fluid or if aftermarket is just as good maybe even better. Thoughts?


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325665 01/17/20 08:04 PM
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I'd stick with Valvoline Maxlife ATF since that's what's in it now.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325670 01/17/20 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jayjr1105
Thoughts?


Depending on how many miles you've driven...when you are ready to change it use this instead...or OEM DW-1.

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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325679 01/17/20 08:21 PM
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MaxLife is never the answer. It has no approvals.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: AC1DD] #5325694 01/17/20 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AC1DD
Originally Posted by jayjr1105
Thoughts?


Depending on how many miles you've driven...when you are ready to change it use this instead...or OEM DW-1.

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Never saw this before. Wonder how it differs from the red bottle ATF.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325697 01/17/20 08:34 PM
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I'm not going to go as far as Lotl... because millions of gallons of MaxLife ATF have been used without incident. But in Honda's case, because they are not a "true" automatic in the generally understood sense of the word, I would say if you notice any issues you should go back to DW-1. Search the forums for a thread by MolaKule about a MaxLife VOA, along with "real" DW-1 and Idemitsu "fake" DW-1 substitute. Mola shows the differences between ML and DW-1, and he and a couple other board members go through the WHY ML isn't recommended for Honda transmissions. It's a really good, informative, thorough read.

FWIW, I used ML in my '06 Odyssey for over 50k of its life (134k thru ~185k) with no issues, and now it's very near to 200k without problems. But.. it's hard to argue with such a thorough discussion as they had in that thread.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325731 01/17/20 08:59 PM
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I've used hundreds of gallons of maxlife, many of them in Hondas. It works fine, even better in the V6s I have found.

Its easy ti find, not expensive, and works. Why change from a formula that works.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: Jimzz] #5325734 01/17/20 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimzz
I've used hundreds of gallons of maxlife, many of them in Hondas. It works fine, even better in the V6s I have found.

Its easy ti find, not expensive, and works. Why change from a formula that works.


That's good for you, but anecdotal evidence isn't valid for others.

Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325739 01/17/20 09:04 PM
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Keep using Maxlife smile

Another very good choice is Castrol Full Synthetic ATF. It goes on sale a few times a year at the parts stores for $5/qt

Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325744 01/17/20 09:06 PM
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I only use Honda atf in my Honda's.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325749 01/17/20 09:09 PM
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Valvoline makes great fluids. I had not seen this ATF before; I was interested.
According to the back of the bottle and the Product Information sheet, for Acura/Honda it lists ATF-Z1 but not DW-1.
Z1 is the earlier Honda fluid, DW-1 is the current spec.

But I bet it is good stuff.

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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5325773 01/17/20 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
I'm not going to go as far as Lotl... because millions of gallons of MaxLife ATF have been used without incident. But in Honda's case, because they are not a "true" automatic in the generally understood sense of the word, I would say if you notice any issues you should go back to DW-1. Search the forums for a thread by MolaKule about a MaxLife VOA, along with "real" DW-1 and Idemitsu "fake" DW-1 substitute. Mola shows the differences between ML and DW-1, and he and a couple other board members go through the WHY ML isn't recommended for Honda transmissions. It's a really good, informative, thorough read.
Bruh, you just gonna leave us hanging with no thread link like that?


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325784 01/17/20 09:38 PM
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C'mon, max... do you know how many times in the past 3 years Mola has commented on threads containing the word Maxlife? I do. The list is four pages long. I can't remember the search terms, so I was hoping he'd pop in and satisfy your need for speed.... in finding the thread I referenced LOL. I'll keep looking.


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Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: JeffKeryk] #5325795 01/17/20 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Valvoline makes great fluids. I had not seen this ATF before; I was interested.
According to the back of the bottle and the Product Information sheet, for Acura/Honda it lists ATF-Z1 but not DW-1.
Z1 is the earlier Honda fluid, DW-1 is the current spec.

But I bet it is good stuff.


I don't know what product information sheet you're reading, but the the one on valvoline.com says recommended for both Z1 and DW-1 (except in CVT's) as well as Honda ATF type 3.1 .

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...bd3/3fa3136a-09bd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

Re: Stick with Maxlife or go back to DW-1? [Re: jayjr1105] #5325798 01/17/20 09:47 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, make note: max and I played nice today LOL
DW-1 Discussion
More DW-1 Goodness
And finally, Mola's thread!


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