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"We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" #5325247 01/17/20 11:51 AM
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I had my tires rotated at a local shop. The guy said to come back in the standard 100 miles to have the lugs retorqued. I always do my own torque check at home but I was driving by the shop a week later and thought I'd have them just do it. Another guy was at the counter and he said they only recheck torque on older cars over 100,000 miles (my Elantra only has 20k). He asked if the tech found a problem when I came in for the rotation, to which I replied no. I started getting tired of the guy's face, said thanks and left.

I've never heard of torque rechecks only being applicable to 100k mile cars. I thought it was common practice on any car with alloy/aluminum rims. Anyone else ever come across such a thing before?


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325250 01/17/20 11:55 AM
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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325254 01/17/20 12:00 PM
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Re-torque is smart anytime a wheel comes off. Nothing at all to do with mileage on the car.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325264 01/17/20 12:16 PM
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Usually assuming they were correctly torqued in the first place, I try not to worry about it, or even re-check my own. But, if the lug nuts/studs are in bad condition, and there is corrosion all over the mating surfaces of the wheel, and hub, then it is a really good idea to re-check them often, or fix the issues.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5325270 01/17/20 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
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+1

I've never needed anything re-torqued. Usually I come back to yell at them because I couldn't get the lugs off by standing on a breaker bar.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: dareo] #5325271 01/17/20 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dareo
Re-torque is smart anytime a wheel comes off. Nothing at all to do with mileage on the car.


+1 And torqued to the recommended spec with a torque wrench.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325292 01/17/20 12:39 PM
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For many years I have re-torqued lug nuts with a torque wrench. Primary reasons are,

1) make sure all lug nuts are the same correct torque.

2) If they aren't all the same torque then brake wobble can occur as the rotors my develop run out, and cause the brakes to shutter especially at highway speeds.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325339 01/17/20 01:24 PM
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Strange indeed.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325350 01/17/20 01:35 PM
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I had one wheel almost drop off after tire service. Probably 35 years ago so I can't remember details, think it was on a mid-eighties Plymouth/Dodge Colt (in fact the car may have had both brand labels). I did ask someone at Costco when they were retorquing, whether or not they had loosened lugs and he said "never".


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325370 01/17/20 01:57 PM
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I have a tag hanging from my mirror right now saying re-torque after 100km because they were rotated yesterday. I've had 3 tires come loose after being rotated/switched over so I ALWAYS re-torque after 100km. Thankfully none of the tires actually fell off, but it's scary to think of what could happen if one let loose at highway speeds.

Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325414 01/17/20 02:44 PM
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I do rotations myself and re torque next day or 2 days later but always do.

Saw a jeep driving not long ago with what looked like last singe lug barely holding driver front wheel and tire was so violently wobbling I thought I'll see it fall off but he turned off to secondary road, dunno what happened next.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: jeepman3071] #5325421 01/17/20 02:49 PM
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I've never found any wheel that didn't pass the re-torque check. Each lug nut has always resulted in an instant click when I put a torque wrench back on it. I've actually recently only been spot-checking lug-nuts. If one ever fails the spot-check I'll check there rest.

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+1

I've never needed anything re-torqued. Usually I come back to yell at them because I couldn't get the lugs off by standing on a breaker bar.


Before we were married, my then-GF had a brake issue that required immediate attention. She lived a couple of hours away, but I luckily had hand-tools in my car while visiting. I did not have a good breaker bar, though... I bounced and bounced my 180# on her OE tire iron and NOTHING! Her tires had very recently been replaced.

I called and asked the counter guy how they verify the lug nuts are torqued correctly?" The guy replied over the phone that they use "torque sticks" on every install. We took a little trip over and just so happened to see some tech HAMMERING away at some lug-nuts with an air impact while installing a customer's wheels. I walked in and up to the counter guy I'd spoken with on the phone and couldn't contain myself, I was so mad. I raised my voice, so that the few people in the waiting area could hear me. I pointed to the tech installing the wheel and asked, "does that look like a torque stick to you!? How do you expect people to get their wheels off in an emergency if you guys are hammering away at the lug nuts like that!?"

I may have blacked-out during my rant, but I do remember coming to after they immediately got us on a lift and loosened the lug nuts for us. crackmeup


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325464 01/17/20 03:43 PM
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He didn't feel like re-torquing anything that day - or probably any other day either.

Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: mclasser] #5325524 01/17/20 05:12 PM
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Yes they won't come loose when they over torque them. They might just snap off instead though. But lubing them they get over torqued too, but they loosen up easily when removing. I've never bought a new car that they requested I come back for them to check them either. Installed correctly, they shouldn't need to be re-torqued. It shouldn't be called re-torque either, since that would involve loosening them all to get a torque check which only happens when the nut is moving. If you did that, then wouldn't you have to do it all over every 50 miles? No torque wrench needed, just make sure none have loosened with a normal lug wrench.


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Re: "We only recheck lug nut torque if you have over 100,000 miles" [Re: gathermewool] #5325526 01/17/20 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gathermewool
I've never found any wheel that didn't pass the re-torque check. Each lug nut has always resulted in an instant click when I put a torque wrench back on it. I've actually recently only been spot-checking lug-nuts. If one ever fails the spot-check I'll check there rest.

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+1

I've never needed anything re-torqued. Usually I come back to yell at them because I couldn't get the lugs off by standing on a breaker bar.


Before we were married, my then-GF had a brake issue that required immediate attention. She lived a couple of hours away, but I luckily had hand-tools in my car while visiting. I did not have a good breaker bar, though... I bounced and bounced my 180# on her OE tire iron and NOTHING! Her tires had very recently been replaced.

I called and asked the counter guy how they verify the lug nuts are torqued correctly?" The guy replied over the phone that they use "torque sticks" on every install. We took a little trip over and just so happened to see some tech HAMMERING away at some lug-nuts with an air impact while installing a customer's wheels. I walked in and up to the counter guy I'd spoken with on the phone and couldn't contain myself, I was so mad. I raised my voice, so that the few people in the waiting area could hear me. I pointed to the tech installing the wheel and asked, "does that look like a torque stick to you!? How do you expect people to get their wheels off in an emergency if you guys are hammering away at the lug nuts like that!?"

I may have blacked-out during my rant, but I do remember coming to after they immediately got us on a lift and loosened the lug nuts for us. crackmeup
I bought this story until the part about wasting lift time for a re-torque. BS!


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