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Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: wag123] #5322162 01/14/20 05:26 AM
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My two 2010 Samsung LCDs say hi. My 720p/1080i cable tv says hi. I continue to enjoy both and won't be worrying about 4K any time soon.

Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: GrtArtiste] #5322206 01/14/20 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GrtArtiste
My two 2010 Samsung LCDs say hi. My 720p/1080i cable tv says hi. I continue to enjoy both and won't be worrying about 4K any time soon.


... and you saved yourself a lot of money, once your TV dies, 4K TVs are now cheap and moving into the future will start to maybe get marked down to clearance items as the 8K sets come out.

With that said, for me, Ill be holding happy with my 4K Sony as to this day, I still can not rent and watch true 4k movies, never mind finding an 8K.

So why pay the 8K price when a non 4k Blu Ray disc has the same and better picture quality then a 4K streamed movie?
I can see the ATSC 3. as being a big plus because I am sure a 4k over the air broadcast signal will be far superior to 4k streaming. Just as a current ATSC 1.0 is equal to or better then a 4K streaming.

All this early morning post is about until source material improves, I think 4K is the standard and I am saying this because now we have the new 8K sets coming out. Im wondering if it will be a flop if Joe public realizes that he can not even watch TRUE 4K on his current set without buying a 4k disc..


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Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: Saabist] #5322221 01/14/20 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabist
I'm unwilling to deal with another broadcast TV change requiring new equipment this soon and will just stop watching if ATSC 1.0 goes away. NTSC (starting with B&W only) served from 1941 through 2009. Now it's a planned obsolescence treadmill. No thanks.
IMO ATSC 1.0 was flawed from the get-go and should never have been pushed on the public. The other digital HDTV standard used in most of the rest of the world, DVB, was/is superior to HDTV 1.0, but corporate interests pushed for the ATSC 1.0 standard to be adopted even though it was essentially obsolete when it was introduced. ATSC 3.0 corrects the mistakes they made and is vastly superior in every respect. It is a valid LONG TERM solution because many more improvements are possible within the system without the risk of having the entire platform become obsolete again.
So, what happened to ATSC 2.0? ATSC 2.0 was proposed because it was backwards compatible with ATSC 1.0, upgraded the stream to 1080p, and had Internet connection interactivity, but also had most of ATSC 1.0's flaws. It was deemed unworkable and DOA. They started with a clean sheet of paper on the ATSC 3.0 standard with the objective of making it a long term solution (like NTSC was).

Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: wag123] #5322383 01/14/20 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wag123
IMO ATSC 1.0 was flawed from the get-go and should never have been pushed on the public. The other digital HDTV standard used in most of the rest of the world, DVB, was/is superior to HDTV 1.0, but corporate interests pushed for the ATSC 1.0 standard to be adopted even though it was essentially obsolete when it was introduced. ...

That may well be the case but as I said I am unwilling to go through buying another round of equipment, whether that consists of adapters or new TVs. Sorry, had enough of that forced on me. Not going to do it again. ATSC 1.0 sucks in a lot of ways but it basically works well enough for the most part and equipment for it is well-established. If you want to buy into ATSC 3.0 you are free to go for it. I'm not going there.

Right now I'm listening to the radio on a Westinghouse transistor radio that is so old it was made in the United States. That's the kind of longevity and usability I expect from consumer electronics.

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Originally Posted by Saabist
Originally Posted by wag123
IMO ATSC 1.0 was flawed from the get-go and should never have been pushed on the public. The other digital HDTV standard used in most of the rest of the world, DVB, was/is superior to HDTV 1.0, but corporate interests pushed for the ATSC 1.0 standard to be adopted even though it was essentially obsolete when it was introduced. ...

That may well be the case but as I said I am unwilling to go through buying another round of equipment, whether that consists of adapters or new TVs. Sorry, had enough of that forced on me. Not going to do it again. ATSC 1.0 sucks in a lot of ways but it basically works well enough for the most part and equipment for it is well-established. If you want to buy into ATSC 3.0 you are free to go for it. I'm not going there.

Right now I'm listening to the radio on a Westinghouse transistor radio that is so old it was made in the United States. That's the kind of longevity and usability I expect from consumer electronics.


You need not worry, IF (and that is a big if) and when ATSC becomes widely available your new TV will have it already built in, as some day, those 10 year old TVs of yours will stop working and its at least 10 years away for ATSC 3.0 to be wide spread, add to that, the 5G revolution will revolutionize so many things in the human race that we cant say what will be up with ATSC by then or even if there will be a call for broadcast TV ,, (though I think that is an extreme)


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Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: alarmguy] #5326644 01/18/20 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
You need not worry, IF (and that is a big if) and when ATSC becomes widely available your new TV will have it already built in, as some day, those 10 year old TVs of yours will stop working and its at least 10 years away for ATSC 3.0 to be wide spread, add to that, the 5G revolution will revolutionize so many things in the human race that we cant say what will be up with ATSC by then or even if there will be a call for broadcast TV ,, (though I think that is an extreme)

10 year old TVs? I would consider a 10 year old set to be practically new. I have TVs from the 1960s through 1990s still in use on a regular basis (using digital adapters). As stated, I expect consumer electronics to last for a long time. I have no interest in 5G either and do not plan to make use of it.

Re: ATSC 3.0 HDTV is almost here! [Re: Saabist] #5326815 01/19/20 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabist
I have no interest in 5G either and do not plan to make use of it.


"They" are selling frequencies formerly used by TV broadcasters to cell phone companies. Your vote is small but they're doing it anyways.

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