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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: fraso] #5320641 01/12/20 11:35 AM
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I have a 4 year old HP Envy Desktop. I installed a Samsung EVO SSD. Cloned the old HDD to it. The old drive took about 60 to 90 seconds to boot up. Now It only take 10 seconds to boot up and programs work very fast.

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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: Californiabob] #5321381 01/13/20 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Californiabob
kill 2 birds with one drive: get the large (1TB) SSD. divide into C for boot OS, D for storage. allocate the storage.

I'd recommend
1. delete all the unneeded files (temps, HTML, downloads, old windows updates, etc) - use CCleaner
2. defrag your original C and D drives (feel good step) (completely unnecessary for SSDs)
3. use the HDD-specific version of Acronis (WD, Seagate, etc) to clone your original HDDS to the new SSD
4. when cloning adjust the source (C, then D) to copy to a larger (C, then D) by whatever you need.
5. you can connect the new SSD drive to your machine using a USB kit or whatever is (included or optional)
with your new SSD drive
6. when you replace the HDDs, get couple of USB enclosures and re-purpose old drives as USB backups.
7. change settings for your machine to sleep or hibernate (or even shutdown) using a standard button/lid change

and yes, the speed improvement is awesome.


Yes. A typical W10 install with programs and data is around 40-75 GB. I typically partition the boot drive to be between 50% and 2x larger than that, with the rest for storage. My new rig has a 2 TB NVME drive with the primary partition sized for 120 GB. One reason for this is to allow sufficient space for the future but to also limit the size of system backup images (use Macrium reflect set to NOT include hibernate or pagefile files in the backups).

You can keep a backup of your C: drive on the backup partition, but it would be susceptible to loss or corruption in the event of a drive failure or malware (i.e. ransomware) infection.



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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: fraso] #5321558 01/13/20 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fraso


Any good places to get disk drives?


Canada Computers is a pretty good place. Given the age of your PC, I would go with a 240GB SSD and a 1TB HDD for data.
Below are the links from Canada Computer. For a bit over $100, you will get few more years out of your PC no problem. The bump in speed and responsiveness by upgrading to SSD will be quite phenomenal.
Here is a Kingston 240GB SSD for $50
Kingston SSD

And here is a WD Blue 1TB HDD for $53
WD 1TB HDD

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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: fraso] #5321838 01/13/20 06:50 PM
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SSD from a major brand for the OS, and then free up your current 160GB HDD + 500GB HDD together for storage if you want to save money. If you don't mind spending a bit, get an HDD that has good newegg review rating (i.e. usually means WD or Toshiba with 5 year warranty and not Seagate). Do not use SSD for long term storage, the data retention these days are target to 1 year powered off in room temp instead of 5 years. Keep your old HDD for backup and keep them in a separate physical location, just in case your house is on fire you can still get your family photos back from grand parents or in laws. I know a guy who lost all his kids photo because his house caught on fire from a small electric heater, had he kept a second HDD off site these photos would have been safe.


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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: fraso] #5322002 01/13/20 09:28 PM
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Thanks for the very thoughtful advice. Ideally, I would like to get a new computer but my current machine runs well enough and it's not in the budget right now. I'm thinking that I will buy a SSD as my new c: drive (OS and programs) and wait for a good promotion on a [WD/Toshiba] 1TB NAS hard drive. When I get around to replacing it, I thought I could use the SSD in my new one. Also, great advice about keeping a backup of my important data in a remote location.

Since my 500 GB WD drive still works fine, there is no reason I could not continue using it as my data drive for a little while longer. I'm sure I can free up some space with a bit of drive cleanup.

I know that I could do a W10 reset on my current installation, I thought it would better to do a clean installation of W10 on a new drive than to to clone it.

Some questions:
  • Although 120 GB is enough to run W10, would there be any benefit to a using a larger (say 250 GB) SSD for my c: drive. It would be nice if my computer also recovered quickly from hibernation.
  • Does W10 encrypt the c: drive by default? If so, is there an decryption procedure so that I could access any files I need later on (eg, via USB)?
  • I see that many popular SSDs (Crucial, Samsung, WD, etc) appear to have poor customer support. If the drive fails, are you basically SOL?
  • One of the issues with SSDs I came across was that the BIOS would not recognize it. The MB support page doesn't even list W10 but at least it shows some SDDs for W8.1. How would I check if it'll work with my board (ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3)?

Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: Nick1994] #5323291 01/15/20 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick1994
I wouldn't even consider using a spinning disc hard drive unless it was purely for storage.

SSD is where it's at for the OS.



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Re: Hard Drive Upgrade [Re: fraso] #5326937 01/19/20 11:16 AM
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Update.

I bought a 250 GB Samsung SSD from Canada Computers on Wednesday. Since I have 6 SATA ports on my motherboard, I now have 3 drives in my computer with the old 160 GB OS drive as an eventual back up drive once have everything running properly. The new SSD and clean install does make a huge a difference and I'm very happy with my computer's speed. I'm not sure what effect the SSD has on video performance but I have no problem with viewing YouTube with 1080p instead of my previous limit of 720p.

Thanks for the great advice everyone. I'll next be working on making sure my computers are properly backed up.

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