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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5321937 01/13/20 08:13 PM
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I can vouch for the Corolla. Bought my daughter a used one a few years ago, and it has been absolutely trouble free.


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5321942 01/13/20 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by agarb
6. Creature comforts and "fun-to-drive" are not considerations.
"Must be a Japanese or Korean economy car"


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5321952 01/13/20 08:29 PM
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Camry and if you could tolerate a Corolla.

Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322053 01/13/20 10:25 PM
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My 07 Corolla has been fantastic. My niece (16/17yo) bought a low mileage 06. I think they make a great solid car for a new driver. It will rarely need work done.


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322071 01/13/20 10:44 PM
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Has anyone mentioned a Honda or Toyota 4 banger?
You will have to pay the "Honda tax" or "Toyota tax", but there is a reason for it.
You should get it back at resale...

If you wanna pay less, some of the Hyundai and Kia cars have a strong following; I have very little experience with them.
I would not be afraid of an Altima; just be sure and service that CVT...

My #1 choice would be a 1st gen Acura TSX. Great cars.

Good luck.


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: Skippy722] #5322078 01/13/20 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Skippy722
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Silverado with LS v-8. Might pay a bit more to buy, but easy to work on, pretty reliable, lots of parts, easy to work on. AND resale is higher than most vehicles when you are done with it, even with high miles, they sell.


I second this. But maybe something like a trailblazer if you don’t want a truck. Absolutely bulletproof engine, transmissions aren’t bad as long as you don’t abuse them. Parts galore and cheap. Decent fuel economy for a v8.

I miss our truck....


I work a lot of GMT360 Trailblazers & Envoy's.....Get a Tahoe or a Yukon if you're set on a SUV! Just about everything on a GMT360 is tougher to work on than a fullsize GMT800/GMT900. Not to mention chassis electrical problems associated with the GMT360.


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: parshisa] #5322132 01/14/20 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by parshisa
Honda civic


Agarb, I think you forgot to ask one of the most important questions, arguable even #1: cost to insure. This is where the Honda Civic falls down- it has one of the highest theft and accident statistics of any car. Small, cheap cars are proportionally more expensive to insure, and the younger the driver the worse it gets. State Farm used to publish a book on accident risk ratios of various cars, and the Civic, Dodge Neon, Chevy Cobalt were at the very high end of costs relative to value. I myself have a Saturn Ion Redline, which is very similar to the Chevy Cobalt SS. However the Cobalt was typically 50-100% more expensive to insure.

You mentioned a new driver, so my advice is to factor insurance into your equation.

Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322164 01/14/20 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by agarb
Let’s assume you want to purchase a 5-10 year old vehicle for a new driver within the following parameters:

1. Lowest total cost of ownership.

2. High availability of aftermarket and repair parts from junk yards.

3. Ease of maintenance and repair. Especially for somebody that doesn’t have a professional shop and full line of specialty tools but who tries to do as much work as possible themselves. (For instance, I routinely do brake and suspension work, also replaced a Hyundai beta timing belt and swapped a manual tranny in a Ford Focus.)

4. A good online source of information (forums, etc.) that can be used to research various maintenance and repair tasks the may arise over the remaining life of the vehicle.

5. Above average reliability.

6. Creature comforts and "fun-to-drive" are not considerations.


Somewhere high on this list should be the car's safety rating, important for a new driver.



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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: AZjeff] #5322238 01/14/20 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
Originally Posted by agarb
Let’s assume you want to purchase a 5-10 year old vehicle for a new driver within the following parameters:

1. Lowest total cost of ownership.

2. High availability of aftermarket and repair parts from junk yards.

3. Ease of maintenance and repair. Especially for somebody that doesn’t have a professional shop and full line of specialty tools but who tries to do as much work as possible themselves. (For instance, I routinely do brake and suspension work, also replaced a Hyundai beta timing belt and swapped a manual tranny in a Ford Focus.)

4. A good online source of information (forums, etc.) that can be used to research various maintenance and repair tasks the may arise over the remaining life of the vehicle.

5. Above average reliability.

6. Creature comforts and "fun-to-drive" are not considerations.


Somewhere high on this list should be the car's safety rating, important for a new driver.

Piggy-backing on this:
-all around visibility
-safety
-local cost to insure

-Ford Fusion
-Kia Soul
-low on the most steal list
-mid-size sedan or CUV (safety for a new driver)


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322315 01/14/20 11:06 AM
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Toyota Corolla. That is the lowest cost of ownership when you consider reliability, replacement parts, INSURANCE COST, fuel economy and yes, depreciation. If you are looking at low cost of ownership should not be looking at a V8 anything. Corolla are very easy to work on too. It also has a timing chain so no scheduled maintenance in that area. Plenty of room under the hood.

As for Tacoma frames rusting, there was a Toyota recall on affected vehicles, and either the entire frame was replaced, or if there was just light surface rust it was sandblasted and Toyota did it complete inside- and outside the frame rustproofing. I had my Tundra done by Toyota when the car was already 9 years old after I bought it used. Now 7 years later and there is not a bit of rust on the frame. You are better off to get one that was recalled than to get one that was not recalled.

Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322351 01/14/20 12:24 PM
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Ford Fusion. If it's been well maintained all you should need to replace is a few interior door handles as they are a weak point.

I would avoid the Chevy Trailblazer. Most of those I ran through the shop for used vehicle conditioning ended up being wholesaled due to the cost to repair numerous electrical issues.

Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322365 01/14/20 12:37 PM
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5-speed Mk3 or newer Ford Focus. Parts share between the escape/fiesta and the garbage DCT made all focus' resale value plummet so you can find a good condition one on the cheap. The 2.0L engine and 5-speed MTX75 has been out forever too.

Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322370 01/14/20 12:40 PM
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Thread should have been locked after Toyota Corolla was mentioned.


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: agarb] #5322380 01/14/20 12:49 PM
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Get on cargurus.com and start searching . Last 3 cars we have purchased have been located on the internet . Last one was about 2 years ago . 2006 Buick Lacrosse 36,000 miles $ 6,250 out the door , in great shape . Was local . But the previous two were ~ 125 miles away .

Love the Buick . Purchased it for a road car , to visit family , out of town . Comfortable , good ride , sufficient interior room , decent gas mileage . ( on trips , we often spend more money on meals than gas . )

At our age , if we have to purchase another car , will defiantly shop for another Buick . Or a Ford or another GM vehicle . No " foreign " vehicles .


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Re: Hypothetical Vehicle Purchase [Re: atikovi] #5322414 01/14/20 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
2006-10 Hyundai Sonata 4 cylinder.
1. $2-3K
2. plenty of wrecked ones in the junkyard
4. Paper FSM on Ebay occasionally
5. Sold a 2006 with 292,000 miles and running great


Yes, also the Kia Optima of the same Genre.

In fact, you can even go a few years newer than that ^^ and still get Excellent condition ones for a very good price.


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