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any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil #5318218 01/09/20 09:21 PM
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looking for some test info ?

is it just over price mobil car oil

Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318244 01/09/20 09:48 PM
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Shifts were nice in my Raptor 660R - but no analysis - cooling fan ran less, so ran cooler.

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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318419 01/10/20 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRich954
looking for some test info ?

is it just over price mobil car oil


There are both UOA and VOA results for that oil on this site. There are also tests on this oil from various manufacturers trying to compete.

It's nothing like the automotive oil. With higher ZDDP, calcium and a generally robust additive package. It's also very shear resistant and has a high HTHS.


A previous discussion:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2976138

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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318516 01/10/20 09:18 AM
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Used it in the last decade ( or prior) to boost sump of poor performing ILSAC GF4 PCMO back in the API-SM days.

Then ESSO changed the blend, cut back the PAO substantial and it isn't as outstanding as it was, so I dont use it anymore.

No its not PCMO. EP/AW package has to be adjusted to accomodate wet clutch packs ad its not focused on Energy Conservation.


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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318653 01/10/20 12:54 PM
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heavier oils generally used in motorcycles need NOT meet the specs of 30 W or less, but there are a few small bikes calling for a 30 + if you use that it best be a motorcycle oil. when castrol + mobil differed in opinion + castrol was marketing group III fake synthetics before they were legally marketable as such they others followed using good but lesser group III's instead of real synthetic PAO + Ester oils forever screwing things up!!

Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318661 01/10/20 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRich954
looking for some test info ?

is it just over price mobil car oil


It is likely given the numbers that our motorcycle oil is chiefly
reformulated Auto oil... the degree of change reflects market share...
either way M1 Auto or M1 4T oil will meet and exceed your mileage
expectations...

Here are virgin oil samples of $4.89 a quart Mobil 1 Auto Oil 10W40
and $9.98 a quart Mobil 4T Motorcycle specific oil... listed in parts
per million are minor differences in the additive package you're
paying for...

[Linked Image]


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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: Cujet] #5318670 01/10/20 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujet


It's nothing like the automotive oil. With higher ZDDP, calcium and a generally robust additive package. It's also very shear resistant and has a high HTHS.



Thanks to BITOG data I think we finding the single most common
misunderstanding about motor oil is that higher zinc levels provide
greater wear protection. fact is more zinc provides longer wear protection...
but thats a moot point given the short oil change intervals owners
favor...

Zinc is used/sacrificed in very small quantities at time, so the total
amount present in your oil does not change how much wear protection
the oil provides, as long as you don’t run out of zinc. “Lab Testing”
and “Wear Testing” analysis proves/confirms that more zinc provides
LONGER wear protection, NOT MORE wear protection.


1. Well known and respected Engineer and Tech Author David Vizard,
whose own test data, largely based on real world engine dyno testing,
has concluded that more zinc in motor oil can be damaging, more zinc
does NOT provide today’s best wear protection, and that using zinc as
the primary anti-wear component, is outdated technology.

2. The GM Oil Report titled, “Oil Myths from GM Techlink”, concluded
that high levels of zinc are damaging and that more zinc does NOT
provide more wear protection.

3. A motor oil research article written by Ed Hackett titled, “More
than you ever wanted to know about Motor Oil”, concluded that more
zinc does NOT provide more wear protection, it only provides longer
wear protection.

4. This from the Brad Penn Oil Company: There is such a thing as too
much ZDDP. ZDDP is surface aggressive, and too much can be a
detriment. ZDDP fights for the surface, blocking other additive
performance. Acids generated due to excessive ZDDP contact will
“tie-up” detergents thus encouraging corrosive wear. ZDDP
effectiveness plateaus, more does NOT translate into more protection.
Only so much is utilized. We don’t need to saturate our oil with ZDDP.


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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5318832 01/10/20 03:59 PM
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BLS, I know what you are saying, and it's true in a generic sense. It seems 1200 ppm ZDDP has long been considered the proper level for old school engines and modest lifter loads. However, it's become clear after some recent testing that higher levels will carry higher lifter loads.

So while Ed Hackett may be correct, we can still prove, via lab testing, that more ZDDP will carry a higher load before scuffing occurs. Some highly loaded lifters in hot rod engines have lifter failures at anything less than 2000 ppm.

http://www.kirbanperformance.com/product_images/customer_support_item-_pdf-35.pdf

https://tech.drivenracingoil.com/zinc-in-motor-oil/


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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5319522 01/11/20 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRich954
looking for some test info ?

is it just over price mobil car oil


It works very well, holds shift quality to 5000 miles in a high horsepower and torque shared sump inline 4-cylinder in my experience. Gets worked in the low and mid-range and roll on, and gets run up to over 10,000 RPM on occasion.

Have you searched the motorcycle used oil analysis section? I posted a specific thread about M1 10w40 4T with my test results and it's clearly in the thread title, from December of 2018.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...1200-mobil-1-10w40-4t-racing#Post4865603

More recently I posted about M1 20W50 VTwin (shown specifically in the title) and you can compare that to the previous test which was the 4T.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...il-1-v-twin-20w50-5065-miles#Post5183041

Both of those oils have really good boron content as well as what I consider good zinc content for flat tappet engines with cam profiles that are more aggressive than what you find in an everyday automobile.

BLS, again if zinc content is not relevant to the overall protection of an engine other than to extend an oil change interval, then there would be no addition of boron or moly or titanium, etc as anti-wear additives. Based on what is being said, the reduced zinc should be more than enough. Does anyone want to go there and say that should be the case?

I believe it is understood excessive zinc can be a negative factor. However within a certain concentration range, there are benefits that some flat tappet engines can take advantage of, and it is a fact not speculation.

The analysis posted in this thread comparing Mobil car oil to Amsoil oil... Mobil makes no car oil with that additive package and I think you said you do not know what era it came from based on posts in other threads. That test can't be considered recent or relevant when it comes to a Mobil oil comparison to any other oil, and certainly motorcycle oil that is available today for purchase and putting in a sump.

It was posted recently when boron (in the context of motor oils and the most common form used) was mentioned as an anti-wear additive that replaces zinc, that boron is not an anti-wear additive but used as an antifreeze inhibitor (!). It is in antifreeze as an inhibitor to counter the effects of antifreeze on a cooling system, which is not "inhibiting" antifreeze in motor oil.
















Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5319532 01/11/20 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRich954
looking for some test info ?

is it just over price mobil car oil

It has already been tested, it achieves JASO MA2 and JASO MA which are relevant motorcycle specifications. How would you test it to show it does anything better or worse than meet those specs?


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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5319826 01/11/20 02:31 PM
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Thanks guys that a Amazing amount of info.

I tried googling and searching and not much popped up so I wasn’t sure if it was a new oil or garbage.

I’m putting it into a single cylinder High worked quad that’s known to Shear oils badly.

I really wanted to use Rotella T6 which I normally use and everything

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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5319833 01/11/20 02:35 PM
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I didn’t search the used oil area that’s my bad

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Hey no worries, I get excited and want to find something out so I post up sometimes myself. It is a bit of work to search, which I think the search function on this forum sucks, or even to go page by page through the threads. I came across a bit strong on that, my bad.

Many times I will do a general Google search for what I'm looking for, such as name the oil I am looking for along with the words "analysis" or "used oil analysis" or "uoa", it pulls the threads in from this forum readily.

For a 10w40, in my modded ZRX 1200, it held up really well. It did fall out of grade by just a little bit, however the 4T starts thin so it didn't lose much relative to where it started.

Simply meeting the standards in terms of JASO as we know means nothing in terms of how well the oil resists shear.

Where are you located? The M1 20w50 V Twin oil is stout in terms of sheer resistance as well. Could be fine if your climate allows for it.





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Originally Posted by Cujet
BLS, I know what you are saying, and it's true in a generic sense. It seems 1200 ppm ZDDP has long been considered the proper level for old school engines and modest lifter loads. However, it's become clear after some recent testing that higher levels will carry higher lifter loads.

So while Ed Hackett may be correct, we can still prove, via lab testing, that more ZDDP will carry a higher load before scuffing occurs. Some highly loaded lifters in hot rod engines have lifter failures at anything less than 2000 ppm.



What about no zinc oils???

As you know most aircraft piston engines are air-cooled, so they tend
to run hot and due to this, they require the use of an ashless oil.
That simply means that when the oil burns, it must burn completely and
not leave any ash behind. Aircraft engines are mostly flat-tappet
engines and they seem to get along just fine without any ZDDP...


Larry L
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2002 Camaro Mobil 1 5W30
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Re: any one ever test mobil 1 racing 4t 10w-40 motorcycle oil [Re: BigRich954] #5320118 01/11/20 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRich954
Thanks guys that a Amazing amount of info.


You're welcome but don't fear the shear...

Shear Stability is a measure of the amount of viscosity an oil may
lose during operation. Oil experiences very high stresses in certain
areas of the engine such as in the oil pump, cam shaft area , piston
rings, and gears or any other areas where two mating surface areas
squeeze the oil film out momentarily... but technically speaking as
our oil shears down we don't see elevated wear rates because oil
analysis shows as viscosity shears down the flow goes up and the
concept of lubrication states the greater the flow the greater the
protection...


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