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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5305599 12/27/19 02:32 PM
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Good luck on your 2019 Highlander engine issue.
I changed the factory oil in mine at about 1200 miles and there was no debris. I actually was kinda expecting to see trace deposits. I can't speak to MPG issue since I don't drive it, the wife does, although not frequently and not of any distance.
Your post piqued my interest. I am gonna pull the Fram Ultra filter I installed and check it in a few thousand miles. Likely the vehicle will be a year old before it sees 3000 miles.
Keep us posted.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: supton] #5315876 01/07/20 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by supton
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The Bearing?

What bearing ?


An engine bearing.

Not all that specific, but it really doesn't matter. I'm not sure why the block would need replacing, not unless if it spun a bearing--but it's probably for the best. A short block, new from the factory, is going to be put together in a nice clean place and built to factory spec's... not saying your average dealership couldn't do it right, but one has to wonder about doing such major work.

Good luck. I'm guessing it'll be fine going forward. Stuff happens, that's what warranties are for.


It was a Rod/Rod Bearing. When they drained the old I put in they described it as "Glittery" They had the engine installed last week but nicked a gasket so it was leaking oil. They ordered a gasket and put it back together and it was leaking oil so they ordered another gasket which was supposed to arrive today. It has been at the dealer since December 18th. Is there any change this engine lasts as long as a factory one with how much it's been taken apart and bad gaskets?


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5316790 01/08/20 01:07 PM
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Took it back to the dealer today the 2nd engine is leaking oil

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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5316947 01/08/20 04:38 PM
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Thanks for sharing the saga I hope you are now done with the problems and can fully enjoy and trust the new ride.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: thooks] #5317158 01/08/20 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by thooks
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Sounds like looking a gift horse in the mouth. I'm surprised they're doing anything with it honestly.



It’s a Toyota not a GM

Ask owners of 2017-2018 HL's AWD with 8 speed about how Toyota honors warranty. My best man just filed lemon case againt them after more than a year of back and forth.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: thooks] #5317168 01/08/20 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thooks
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Sounds like looking a gift horse in the mouth. I'm surprised they're doing anything with it honestly.



It’s a Toyota not a GM


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5317374 01/09/20 05:19 AM
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I would be telling them at this point to get me a new vehicle. Looks like you have been more than patient with this dilemma. Three attempts is the Lemon Law looks like you have two.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5317750 01/09/20 02:01 PM
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Toyota offered us an 8 year 125k mile bumper to bumper warranty with no deductible. We accepted. Looks like they have faith in their product/repair.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5317763 01/09/20 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew_Boss
Toyota offered us an 8 year 125k mile bumper to bumper warranty with no deductible. We accepted. Looks like they have faith in their product/repair.


Good deal!


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5317911 01/09/20 04:42 PM
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Sometimes a negative can turn into a positive. Good on them for doing it.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5318431 01/10/20 06:58 AM
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I am impressed at how you handled it. Look at your results. Awesome!


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: JLTD] #5318448 01/10/20 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JLTD
Hopefully you got a UOA? It would be good for comparison with other similar engines.


UOA won't even see any of the flakes, they are orders of magnitude too large. Only the bits of aluminum that have already been pulverized and ground up will be visible, since ICP is only looking at things ~7 microns and smaller. These pics show why it's wrong to try to make judgment calls on wear based on a UOA as the only data point... filter debris analysis and analytical ferrography is what the OP would need in this case to figure out if the flakes are piston, cylinder, cam, bearing, etc etc.

Thanks for pics OP, hope your problems are over now. BTW... I believe this would fall under the term I recently learned with some new machinery at work... "infantile failure" for when it poops the bed essentially out of the gate. I thought the term was a little humorous.


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Re: 2019 Toyota Highlander LOTS of metal flakes [Re: benjy] #5323960 01/15/20 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by benjy
the DOWNSIDE to thinner oils said to increase mpgs, a LITTLE is their thinner oil film aka thickness in the bearings carry less contaminates before scratching VERY important surfaces + as it thins with age + common DI dilution it gets even THINNER protecting even LESS. many brands like toyota + honda are NOT worth the xtra $$$$ for the reliability they are THOUGHT to have!!

Originally Posted by benjy
the DOWNSIDE to thinner oils said to increase mpgs, a LITTLE is their thinner oil film aka thickness in the bearings carry less contaminates before scratching VERY important surfaces + as it thins with age + common DI dilution it gets even THINNER protecting even LESS. many brands like toyota + honda are NOT worth the xtra $$$$ for the reliability they are THOUGHT to have!!


This is asinine.

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