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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318608 01/10/20 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
Typically that's why we would rely on good intel from a website. If you have a warranty, why not prominently post it?


Yup, the example I posted from Mobil's website earlier in the thread shows, IMHO, how this is properly done.


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318617 01/10/20 12:54 PM
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Example of a well written, prominently displayed warranty:
https://mobiloil.com/en/article/warranties/limited-warranty/mobil-atf-limited-warranty
I agree with you, sir!


Oddly, I cannot find a Mobil ATF for the Mercon LV application; am I overlooking it?

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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: Olas] #5318729 01/10/20 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Olas


Castrol dont offer a warranty on their gear lubes.







Wrong they DO offer a written warranty on their Transmax transmission fluids. Same with Mobil.

Refer to the second page of this thread to see the Castrol warranty.

Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318759 01/10/20 03:48 PM
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Mobil makes a dexron VI fluid, which would be appropriate for mercon lv applications. It's a semi synthetic if I recall correctly. Oddly it doesn't carry the Ford license as most dexron VI multi use fluids either carry the license or just recommend that it meets those specs.

Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318767 01/10/20 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
Example of a well written, prominently displayed warranty:
https://mobiloil.com/en/article/warranties/limited-warranty/mobil-atf-limited-warranty
I agree with you, sir!


Oddly, I cannot find a Mobil ATF for the Mercon LV application; am I overlooking it?


Looks like just Dexron LV, which you've probably already found:
https://mobiloil.com/en/automatic-transmission-fluid/mobil-1-synthetic-lv-atf-hp

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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318794 01/10/20 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
And there's no warranty posted on the company website.

But .... apparently there is a written limited warranty. Only after you play the round-n-round game of circular stupidity will you sort of get an acknowledgement that there is a written warranty, maybe. But then they'll blame Napa for writing the document ... Yeah - as if I'm supposed to believe that Napa lawyers are stupid enough to create a fraudulent document implicating written warranty upon another company.

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If you have a warranty, why not prominently post it?

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And yet, there is no warranty on Valvoline's website I can find for this product.


The warranty document on Napa's website was created in 2012.

The fact that the document can only be found on Napa's site and not on Valvoline's site suggests what you were told twice by Valvoline is true. There is no warranty now even if there once was.

It's understandable if the customer service people, who may not have been working there when there was a warranty in place or have been correctly trained that there is no warranty, couldn't explain the warranty on Napa's website.

I get you were confused by the document on Napa's website but you had two people from Valvoline themselves give you the correct information and it seems you were inclined to not believe them so placed more belief in an old document on Napa's website than was warranted (no pun intended).


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318812 01/10/20 04:38 PM
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Why would they cancel the warranty program that they once offered?


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318821 01/10/20 04:46 PM
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It’s a one size fits all fluid. I could have told you there would have been no warranty.

Say I bought some Castrol ATF+4 for my Jeep and did a fluid change only for the tranny to fail a few hundred miles later. Would Castrol warranty this? Nope.

Even if they did offer some sort of warranty, the hassle of getting a lawyer involved and them cooperating is slim to not warranty or not.. same with oil filters.

Also, what are you doing buying Maxlife for something with any sort of warranty? Get the real fluid.

Not to sound like you, but don’t overthink this.


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5318850 01/10/20 05:13 PM
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As far as Napa goes, here is an interesting twist:

http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/content/GenuinePartsCompany/104405764pdf?$PDF$

Created in 2018 and refers to Valvoline warranting "all private-label NAPA lubricants manufactured by Valvoline"


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: Jetsfan421] #5319024 01/10/20 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetsfan421
Mobil makes a dexron VI fluid, which would be appropriate for mercon lv applications. It's a semi synthetic if I recall correctly. Oddly it doesn't carry the Ford license as most dexron VI multi use fluids either carry the license or just recommend that it meets those specs.


The six pack of AC Delco I just used had the familiar Mobil bottle shape

Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5319146 01/10/20 10:32 PM
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So now bottle shape is used to determine warranties? Man, I give up!


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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: OVERKILL] #5319158 01/10/20 10:48 PM
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That’s HP … IIRC … Mobil had the 2nd Dexron VI license. I have purchased Mobil Dexron VI online … blue bottle was Mobil … black bottle was AC Delco … both SS …

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Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: dnewton3] #5319169 01/10/20 11:12 PM
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So, what does a person do with this information?

Do you shun Valvoline products on principle? Motor oil, gear lube, ATF, grease??

Or, do you trust that Valvoline is selling products that meet or exceed the specifications? People trust non API Amsoil oil. Gear lubes have no API certification program, so you only have trust to rely on any manufacturer. Many people diy oil changes with aftermarket filters during the warranty period knowing that it is o.k., but might be much more difficult if a engine warranty issue develops. Point is, we still do it.

Remember, any lubricant warranty only covers the quality of their formulation. Just like oil filters, one would have to prove the oil defective to cover a mechanical failure. Not to be confused with the various warranties companies offer for using their engine oil at every OCI. I.E., .... https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/warranty.html#iframe=L2xvZ2luLw

While I dislike the deceptive nature that Valvoline is taking here, if you base your decisions on principle you will really limit the number of manufacturers you have available to purchase from. I don't have the backbone to do this unless it is a HUGE violation of principle. After one bad car experience, many people sign off ever buying that brand again. Yet, nearly every manufacturer has serious skeletons in their closet if you are honest with your investigation.

So again, I ask what do we do with this information?

Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: doitmyself] #5319206 01/11/20 12:03 AM
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So again, I ask what do we do with this information?


Buy a transmission fluid with a clearly written warranty. That's the bottom line, if the company is willing to write a warranty that actually means something it means they trust the quality of the product they are offering to the consumer.

Re: A word of caution regarding Valvoline Maxlife ATF [Re: AC1DD] #5319217 01/11/20 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AC1DD
Originally Posted by doitmyself



So again, I ask what do we do with this information?


Buy a transmission fluid with a clearly written warranty. That's the bottom line, if the company is willing to write a warranty that actually means something it means they trust the quality of the product they are offering to the consumer.



The extent of each warranty is the fluid will not cause failure.


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