Originally Posted by Dave9
^ You are missing that even vehicles that are supposedly reliable, still can have higher maintenance and repair costs.
Is an X1 an unprecedented increase in reliability for BMW? If not, then it is reasonable to look at existing BMW repair data. If so, it will take more years to accumulate this data. The F48 is only going on 5 years old now right? So the more reliable years are passing and then next 5 will paint a better picture.
I personally don't know much about BMW. Volvo, Ford and VW, I know pretty well....
Isn't 5 years on a platform near end-of-life, though? I thought most of these ran on 5-6 year cycles?
Originally Posted by Dave9
If you want to insist it will be equal to maintain and repair, that is your gamble to make. Historically it has been untrue, BMW's tend to cost over twice as much. This may not matter, a more luxurious vehicle should be worth more money to its owner, but again it's new vs used and seemingly maxing out a budget. It is not an apples and oranges comparison to me, only based on an assumption about cost that does not seem valid.
BMWs are notorious for high repair costs, like, as expensive as it gets before you drift into exotic sports cars.
Well, a couple of things:
-I'm not insisting it will be equal in cost to maintain. I honestly don't know, part of the reason I'm asking. That said, there are a few things that come to mind. 1) as cars become more complex, are the Asian cars really that much more reliable? I know the Mazda is NA, which has some advantages. That said, having owned a Volvo 740, I don't really consider turbos to be "new tech". 2) the independent sources of data like Consumer Reports (which of course most on here think is a grand conspiracy) seem to put the X1 equal to or above similar Asian brand comparos (Forester, CX-5). And perusing the various car-specific forums, I don't see many complaints on this platform.
-budget wise, the person buying it could afford a lot more, this is just want they want to spend on a car. Obviously, total cost of ownership is a factor vs. initial purchase price, but I just haven't seen anything to suggest it will be that high?
-when I look at things like radiators, alternators, starters (things that may need replaced in 10 years), I don't see a massive difference in pricing on these parts.
Full disclosure, I'm slightly distrustful of Mazda's reliability, just based on one friend's car that I always seemed to be working on. It was a '12 Mazda 3, and there always seemed to be something going on with it. That said, I know it's just a single anecdote...
^ You are missing that even vehicles that are supposedly reliable, still can have higher maintenance and repair costs.
Is an X1 an unprecedented increase in reliability for BMW? If not, then it is reasonable to look at existing BMW repair data. If so, it will take more years to accumulate this data. The F48 is only going on 5 years old now right? So the more reliable years are passing and then next 5 will paint a better picture.
I personally don't know much about BMW. Volvo, Ford and VW, I know pretty well....
Isn't 5 years on a platform near end-of-life, though? I thought most of these ran on 5-6 year cycles?
Originally Posted by Dave9
If you want to insist it will be equal to maintain and repair, that is your gamble to make. Historically it has been untrue, BMW's tend to cost over twice as much. This may not matter, a more luxurious vehicle should be worth more money to its owner, but again it's new vs used and seemingly maxing out a budget. It is not an apples and oranges comparison to me, only based on an assumption about cost that does not seem valid.
BMWs are notorious for high repair costs, like, as expensive as it gets before you drift into exotic sports cars.
Well, a couple of things:
-I'm not insisting it will be equal in cost to maintain. I honestly don't know, part of the reason I'm asking. That said, there are a few things that come to mind. 1) as cars become more complex, are the Asian cars really that much more reliable? I know the Mazda is NA, which has some advantages. That said, having owned a Volvo 740, I don't really consider turbos to be "new tech". 2) the independent sources of data like Consumer Reports (which of course most on here think is a grand conspiracy) seem to put the X1 equal to or above similar Asian brand comparos (Forester, CX-5). And perusing the various car-specific forums, I don't see many complaints on this platform.
-budget wise, the person buying it could afford a lot more, this is just want they want to spend on a car. Obviously, total cost of ownership is a factor vs. initial purchase price, but I just haven't seen anything to suggest it will be that high?
-when I look at things like radiators, alternators, starters (things that may need replaced in 10 years), I don't see a massive difference in pricing on these parts.
Full disclosure, I'm slightly distrustful of Mazda's reliability, just based on one friend's car that I always seemed to be working on. It was a '12 Mazda 3, and there always seemed to be something going on with it. That said, I know it's just a single anecdote...
