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Turbo Durability? #5308079 12/30/19 01:26 PM
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I'm skeptical of relatively new stuff, turbo's for example. Looking online I find a number of vehicles I'd look at available only with turbo's. Being old school, and thinking of getting a new car or small SUV, I don't need lots of HP and prefer something simple as possible. Have turbo's been used long enough to prove relatively trouble free?


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: tc1446] #5308085 12/30/19 01:31 PM
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Turbo engines will wear faster than non turbo models. They simply are placed under more stress. There are plenty of very reliable turbos out there but it is like anything else, maintenance and driving habits. I make sure and warm up the engine before any significant loads, change oil at 5k with Mobil 1, generally baby my cars so i expect my turbos to live a long time.

You are signing up for an extra item to break, the turbo, and more stress on the engine internals. The tradeoff is you can have a very small efficient engine that makes great power when needed. I say its worth it.


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: tc1446] #5308097 12/30/19 01:50 PM
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The BITOG dilemma: I want a new car with all of the stuff I like about new cars (modern looks, interior and amenities) but none of the stuff I don't like about new cars (mechanical sophistication). If you want a simple car, buy an old one.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. I've seen many of these threads, because anachronistic old codgers want a new car but don't trust turbos or DI.


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: tc1446] #5308100 12/30/19 01:53 PM
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Get a Corolla with manual transmission if you want a simple car.

Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: maxdustington] #5308107 12/30/19 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by tc1446
I'm skeptical of relatively new stuff, turbo's for example. Looking online I find a number of vehicles I'd look at available only with turbo's. Being old school, and thinking of getting a new car or small SUV, I don't need lots of HP and prefer something simple as possible. Have turbo's been used long enough to prove relatively trouble free?
The BITOG dilemma: I want a new car with all of the stuff I like about new cars (modern looks, interior and amenities) but none of the stuff I don't like about new cars (mechanical sophistication). If you want a simple car, buy an old one.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. I've seen many of these threads, because anachronistic old codgers want a new car but don't trust turbos or DI.

Well I’m a old codger I guess and I don’t mind these new advancements. There is a reason they don’t make Fairmonts and Citations anymore. Thank goodness for that.


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: tc1446] #5308122 12/30/19 02:11 PM
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With a turbo pulling into a rest stop on highway you need to idle for a few minutes before turning engine off. That helps cool down turbo & engine.


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: maxdustington] #5308129 12/30/19 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
The BITOG dilemma: I want a new car with all of the stuff I like about new cars (modern looks, interior and amenities) but none of the stuff I don't like about new cars (mechanical sophistication). If you want a simple car, buy an old one.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. I've seen many of these threads, because anachronistic old codgers want a new car but don't trust turbos or DI.


I don't think you are understanding the concerns of many of us.

I don't care about modern looks (all the same, cross-training shoe meets transformer).

I don't care about newer interior. Ergonomics are gone and now we have faux-metal painted plastic that looks like **** as it wears.

I don't care about amenities. I don't need more cupholders, a warning there is a weight (child) left in the rear seat, self parking, lane assist, or a big touchscreen serving as light in my face while driving at night. I don't need a digital dash that costs $1500+ to replace, 30-way adjustments on my seat or for it to remember them all. I don't need my tailgate to open very slowly from sensing my leg, or my vehicle to start without a key in the ignition. I don't need it to shut down cylinders, or turn off when I stop. I have known how and when to shut a car off for a very long time.

I don't consider the engine changes to be mechanical sophistication. They would not have happened but for emissions mandates and fines so it is just another cost passed onto the consumer both at time of purchase and all along unless the owner drives a very high # of miles. It should specifically be these high mileage drivers that are penalized, not everyone else. It is mechanical inferiority to make something less fit for its purpose to do the same job. It is the Great Lie, that everyone cares about fuel economy yet vehicle size keeps creeping larger and people gravitate towards full sized trucks and SUVs.

Buying an old car does not address the primary concern which is longevity without repairs, and repairs that are less than the book value of the vehicle so it isn't effectively totalled out. It helps that repairs are often less expensive but no-repair is always cheaper than any-repair. Why opt to pay more for something that does not provide anything (subjectively) important in return? Why risk letting anyone touch your vehicle and screw up and gouge you on the bill? Many of us do ALL our own repairs, but lack the proprietary information to fix much of the newer tech.

A competent driver does not need additional "help" from their vehicle and shouldn't be burdened with it. Navigation and hands free calling are nice but given a constant power supply, a phone could do that without the vehicle.

The cost to do a very basic thing (travel by your own means) is increasing faster than inflation. That is not progress.

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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: tc1446] #5308131 12/30/19 02:24 PM
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When I purchased my 2017 Ford Fusion, 2 1/2 years ago, I only wanted it in the 2.5 NA engine.


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Re: Turbo Durability? [Re: Donald] #5308138 12/30/19 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
With a turbo pulling into a rest stop on highway you need to idle for a few minutes before turning engine off. That helps cool down turbo & engine.

Apparently not any longer. The normal progression of getting to that rest stop means slowing down for the exit and slipping into a parking spot is supposedly sufficient for most modern turbos to cool down.

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Most turbos today have coolant pumps that run for several minutes after engine is shut down to help them stay cool.


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I never understood why people fall all over themselves over the reliability of a turbo diesel, but are afraid of turbocharged gasoline engines. Especially since turbos are now cooled by coolant instead of just oil. Pretty much all of them have an aux water pump to circulate coolant after the engine is off, others use some sort of thermosiphoning to circulate coolant. Some even have aux. oil pumps to pump oil after shutdown!


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Originally Posted by dbias
Most turbos today have coolant pumps that run for several minutes after engine is shut down to help them stay cool.


That's how mine is

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I owned a 13' VW GTI and sold it to my brother with 166K on it. He's a pharmacist and doesn't wanna park his new Acura MDX at work.
My wife put a ton of company paid miles on it. It's on the original turbo.
The base Ford Fusion is rated 21 city, 31 highway with 175 HP and 175 LB at 4500 RPM.
The 2.0L EcoBoost Fusion is rated 21 city, 31 highway with 245 HP on premium, 231 HP on 87 octane and 275 LB at a lower 3000 RPM.
Same fuel economy vs the base Fusion with 100 more pounds of torque, give me the more powerful engine.


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^ So you can wear out the tranny/axles/hubs and suspension faster? 175HP is plenty for that size vehicle on public roads.

I floor my vehicles so seldom that doing so would qualify as "an event". If I don't floor them, what did I need a more powerful engine for? Not on a car anyway, towing at highway speeds, grades and all, different story.

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Originally Posted by tc1446
I'm skeptical of relatively new stuff, turbo's for example. Looking online I find a number of vehicles I'd look at available only with turbo's. Being old school, and thinking of getting a new car or small SUV, I don't need lots of HP and prefer something simple as possible. Have turbo's been used long enough to prove relatively trouble free?


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