Caprice Dyno video and results

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by 02SE
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by 02SE
Well, at least we now know your frame of reference for vehicles, when you state that no other street legal car can keep up with a hopped-up Yugo.

Vehicles have come a long ways since the 60's...




Oh still sore over that Yugo/Fiat thing? I stand by it.



I'm not sore at all. Never was. I'm simply saying that you are wrong.


You seem to chase me around and post derisive comments.

Well, I haven't looked at the records from this event. They must be out there.

100% stock car. on this hillclimb driven by one of our forum members.

That's what I said.

You thinking Z06 Vette?
Ferrari F355?
Mustang Shelby GT350?

Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[02SE]

Oh please. Yes, the whole world is out to get you...

I made a comment about that 'hopped up Yugo' that you apparently can't accept. Having some fast vehicles myself, and having been involved in many forms of racing, I do know what fast is. There are numerous street legal vehicles that would leave that Yugo in the dust.

I watched the video. It might beat your Jetta, but that doesn't make it fast. Since you seem convinced and made the statement that no vehicle or forum member could beat it, why don't you prove that it's faster than anything or anyone else...

 

[morepwr]

LS1Mike, nice upgrade on the power numbers! Gotta love how easy it is to gain on the LS platform!
I guess the naysayers think that the old small block chevy was the best engine ever and can't be improved upon!

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted by morepwr
LS1Mike, nice upgrade on the power numbers! Gotta love how easy it is to gain on the LS platform!
I guess the naysayers think that the old small block chevy was the best engine ever and can't be improved upon!


Thanks morepwr.

The SBC and LS platform are really apple and oranges. I just like the ease and reliability of it.

 

[The_Eric]

It occurs to me that it's like the flathead Ford vs the sbc. The flathead was the bees knees back in IT'S day. Then came the small block chevy and other more modern engines and the old flatty couldn't really compete.

Now with all the newer iron out there, the sbc, sbf and old Mopar iron is in a similar predicament.. Sure, you can make one run and even run pretty good, but not as (comparatively) easily as an LS or Hemi or Coyote - and if it did run with a hard core newer Gen engine then you've really done your work! And paid the $$$ as well as having less drive ability

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by 02SE
Oh please. Yes, the whole world is out to get you...

I made a comment about that 'hopped up Yugo' that you apparently can't accept. Having some fast vehicles myself, and having been involved in many forms of racing, I do know what fast is. There are numerous street legal vehicles that would leave that Yugo in the dust.

I watched the video. It might beat your Jetta, but that doesn't make it fast. Since you seem convinced and made the statement that no vehicle or forum member could beat it, why don't you prove that it's faster than anything or anyone else...



Sorry 02, the challenger must present the data refuting my claim in his rebuttal.
That how it works, don't you know?

And I defend the much maligned YUGO, ( which is a classic FIAT). a VERY reliable and TOUGH car - for me at least.

I have owned a BMW M roadster, many (garbage) new mustang GT, 425 Buick, 455 Buick, 396 Chevelle SS, 428 CJ Ford, Lincoln mark vii with intech cammer v8, subaru SVX etc.

And I was standing 10 feet from the turns at Watkins Glenn Grand Prix 1978 with Reutemann, Jabouille, Fittipaldi , Andretti, Scheckter.
My wife was attending college in Elmira, NY near by. So It was a double trip.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by The_Eric
It occurs to me that it's like the flathead Ford vs the sbc. The flathead was the bees knees back in IT'S day. Then came the small block chevy and other more modern engines and the old flatty couldn't really compete.

Now with all the newer iron out there, the sbc, sbf and old Mopar iron is in a similar predicament.. Sure, you can make one run and even run pretty good, but not as (comparatively) easily as an LS or Hemi or Coyote - and if it did run with a hard core newer Gen engine then you've really done your work! And paid the $$$ as well as having less drive ability



I though about this more. Its about what you know and memories.
The new stuff is just that. Its not a classic SBC its a whole new animal.

I asked my friend why he doesn't put a remote tuneable rochester TBI system on his Buick 340.

He said : You wouldn't do that to THAT! I didnt counter - he was emphatic.

Me, I have my limits to hanging on to "old school" stuff.

I have no love for the complications and imprecision in tuning Carburetors or Mechanical distributors. But I can appreciate being able to repair simple systems with trash and junk -

Like E.T.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by The_Eric
It occurs to me that it's like the flathead Ford vs the sbc. The flathead was the bees knees back in IT'S day. Then came the small block chevy and other more modern engines and the old flatty couldn't really compete.

Now with all the newer iron out there, the sbc, sbf and old Mopar iron is in a similar predicament.. Sure, you can make one run and even run pretty good, but not as (comparatively) easily as an LS or Hemi or Coyote - and if it did run with a hard core newer Gen engine then you've really done your work! And paid the $$$ as well as having less drive ability

That's my thinking too. That's why SBC got so popular as a swap, it was easy, cheap, fast and responded well to hopping up. Now the LS motors seem to be taking over--maybe not as easy to swap and/or tune, but if the mostest power is desired, its kinda hard to argue with.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by 02SE
Oh please. Yes, the whole world is out to get you...

I made a comment about that 'hopped up Yugo' that you apparently can't accept. Having some fast vehicles myself, and having been involved in many forms of racing, I do know what fast is. There are numerous street legal vehicles that would leave that Yugo in the dust.

I watched the video. It might beat your Jetta, but that doesn't make it fast. Since you seem convinced and made the statement that no vehicle or forum member could beat it, why don't you prove that it's faster than anything or anyone else...



Sorry 02, the challenger must present the data refuting my claim in his rebuttal.
That how it works, don't you know?

And I defend the much maligned YUGO, ( which is a classic FIAT). a VERY reliable and TOUGH car - for me at least.

I have owned a BMW M roadster, many (garbage) new mustang GT, 425 Buick, 455 Buick, 396 Chevelle SS, 428 CJ Ford, Lincoln mark vii with intech cammer v8, subaru SVX etc.

And I was standing 10 feet from the turns at Watkins Glenn Grand Prix 1978 with Reutemann, Jabouille, Fittipaldi , Andretti, Scheckter.
My wife was attending college in Elmira, NY near by. So It was a double trip.



Owning the cars you have, I can see why you'd feel that way. The majority are not what would be considered standout road course vehicles.

Being a spectator is not the same as participating...

At any rate, go read the Yugo thread. Another forum member that recognized your assertion for what it was, made the effort to refute your claims.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by 02SE
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by 02SE
Oh please. Yes, the whole world is out to get you...

I made a comment about that 'hopped up Yugo' that you apparently can't accept. Having some fast vehicles myself, and having been involved in many forms of racing, I do know what fast is. There are numerous street legal vehicles that would leave that Yugo in the dust.

I watched the video. It might beat your Jetta, but that doesn't make it fast. Since you seem convinced and made the statement that no vehicle or forum member could beat it, why don't you prove that it's faster than anything or anyone else...



Sorry 02, the challenger must present the data refuting my claim in his rebuttal.
That how it works, don't you know?

And I defend the much maligned YUGO, ( which is a classic FIAT). a VERY reliable and TOUGH car - for me at least.

I have owned a BMW M roadster, many (garbage) new mustang GT, 425 Buick, 455 Buick, 396 Chevelle SS, 428 CJ Ford, Lincoln mark vii with intech cammer v8, subaru SVX etc.

And I was standing 10 feet from the turns at Watkins Glenn Grand Prix 1978 with Reutemann, Jabouille, Fittipaldi , Andretti, Scheckter.
My wife was attending college in Elmira, NY near by. So It was a double trip.



Owning the cars you have, I can see why you'd feel that way. The majority are not what would be considered standout road course vehicles.

Being a spectator is not the same as participating...

At any rate, go read the Yugo thread. Another forum member that recognized your assertion for what it was, made the effort to refute your claims.


Id have to see the prep on the Civic type R but my statement is that most race prepped cars, even modest 4 cylinder ones, will drive circles around most all street legal cars. Even very high performance ones.

I defend the Yugo to the end !

Poor maligned Yugo GV..

Better driver than Escort or Chevette!

That M roadster is no slouch but it developed a grinding timing chain due to vanos issues.

I had Citation X-11 which handled well but was underpowered ( but not for the day)

Renault Fuego which handled well but was a piece of junk and underpowered..

May father had a 944 which i drove a few times. Likely the best handler Ive driven.

And I had a stock base miata and that was way overrated junk also.

So I will search for a used Maserati GT with the wonderful, reliable Ferrari/Masi V8.

My retirement car.

Good night, Irene!

 

[02SE]

I had an '89 944 Turbo. 30 years ago it was a fantastic car. We have 5 vehicles that would easily leave it in the dust. And two more that might possibly do the same.

Vehicle performance has come a long ways.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by The_Eric
It occurs to me that it's like the flathead Ford vs the sbc. The flathead was the bees knees back in IT'S day. Then came the small block chevy and other more modern engines and the old flatty couldn't really compete.

Now with all the newer iron out there, the sbc, sbf and old Mopar iron is in a similar predicament.. Sure, you can make one run and even run pretty good, but not as (comparatively) easily as an LS or Hemi or Coyote - and if it did run with a hard core newer Gen engine then you've really done your work! And paid the $$$ as well as having less drive ability



I though about this more. Its about what you know and memories.
The new stuff is just that. Its not a classic SBC its a whole new animal.

I asked my friend why he doesn't put a remote tuneable rochester TBI system on his Buick 340.

He said : You wouldn't do that to THAT! I didnt counter - he was emphatic.

Me, I have my limits to hanging on to "old school" stuff.

I have no love for the complications and imprecision in tuning Carburetors or Mechanical distributors. But I can appreciate being able to repair simple systems with trash and junk -

Like E.T.

I get all that, and understand it completely.

Having the said the car is pretty neat now, certainly a sleeper until you hit the go pedal.

If you are on Facebook, you should check out sloppy mechanics.

You should see the trash they modify LS engines with. It blows my mind.

E.T. was the benchmark for that LOL.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by 02SE
I had an '89 944 Turbo. 30 years ago it was a fantastic car. We have 5 vehicles that would easily leave it in the dust. And two more that might possibly do the same.

Vehicle performance has come a long ways.


True. Memories can be honey coated.

I dont understand what VW is doing with the Jetta.

The Handing on the base cars is safe but atrocious.

horrendous body roll that would not be tolerated in a Lincoln Town Car!

I also now recall a rental 1996 300zx that handled very very well and had good though not earth spinning power.

If I can read a the road well with a cars suspension and I'm comfortable with, it I can drive it very fast.

My wife always chides me when I take a straight line through corners.

the State or town double - yellow striped all our secondary roads.

I know the roads and I ignore those demarcations - by many feet when "frisky"

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by 02SE
I had an '89 944 Turbo. 30 years ago it was a fantastic car. We have 5 vehicles that would easily leave it in the dust. And two more that might possibly do the same.

Vehicle performance has come a long ways.


True. Memories can be honey coated.

I dont understand what VW is doing with the Jetta.

The Handing on the base cars is safe but atrocious.

horrendous body roll that would not be tolerated in a Lincoln Town Car!

I also now recall a rental 1996 300zx that handled very very well and had good though not earth spinning power.

If I can read a the road well with a cars suspension and I'm comfortable with, it I can drive it very fast.

My wife always chides me when I take a straight line through corners.

the State or town double - yellow striped all our secondary roads.

I know the roads and I ignore those demarcations - by many feet when "frisky"

I hope you don't cross the double-yellow line.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted by john_pifer


...
I hope you don't cross the double-yellow line.


Problem is the state or town painted them EVERYWHERE. - even tertiary roadways.

So, If i know the road and I have sufficient visibilty, I will use both sides of a winding road if in "play mode"

Before lines were painted, we would drive right down the center and move to the right only for oncoming traffic.

You know what almost LITERALLY killed me a couple times commuting to work on route 111 west?

Idiots driving without headlights on in inclement/ rainy/ foggy weather with 50 yard visibility

WAY too many of those morons out on the road. Morons!

I try to "correct" them when i have a chance, but I have seen no result of that effort.

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by john_pifer


...
I hope you don't cross the double-yellow line.


Problem is the state or town painted them EVERYWHERE. - even tertiary roadways.

So, If i know the road and I have sufficient visibilty, I will use both sides of a winding road if in "play mode"

Before lines were painted, we would drive right down the center and move to the right only for oncoming traffic.

You know what almost LITERALLY killed me a couple times commuting to work on route 111 west?

Idiots driving without headlights on in inclement/ rainy/ foggy weather with 50 yard visibility

WAY too many of those morons out on the road. Morons!

I try to "correct" them when i have a chance, but I have seen no result of that effort.


Being a sportbike rider, I was taught never to cross the centerline, and to treat it as a "cliff". In fact, the way I learned, by reading former Cycle World Magazine Editor Nick Ienatch's excellent book, 'Sport Riding Techniques', it wasn't good enough to merely keep your wheels in your lane. It was considered bad form to even allow your body to cross the centerline in a lean (in a left-hander).

The problem with crossing the centerline, in a car, or on a motorcycle, even when you're able to see ahead and verify that there's no traffic coming, is that it's all-too-easy for it to become habit. You develop the habit of running wide, crossing the centerline, straightening out the "esses", and then you find yourself falling back into those habits even when visibility is not sufficient to ensure there's no oncoming traffic.

Besides, where's the fun in straightening out the curves?

When I was doing a lot of sportbike riding, the guys in the group that I noticed doing this were never very exceptional riders. They tended to be the ones who crashed frequently.

Stay in your lane.

 

[02SE]

I started out racing with the club that Nick Ienatch and Mitch Boehm helped start. Had the pleasure of riding/racing with him while he was working for Fast Freddie. Good times.

Always assume the worst from our fellow road users, and yep 'Stay in your lane'.