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Stick or Automatic #5300903 12/21/19 03:22 PM
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Been looking on various sites for used Jeep Wranglers (preferrably the TJ series), and have noticed that the manual transmissions are priced higher than the automatics. I know the auto-trans is by far the most popular. Living in a somewhat congested area (Atlanta), I'm wondering if getting another stick shift is really worth it just to fight my way out of traffic into the mountains.

Any thoughts ? Critique ? Insight ? Other observations ? Thanx in advance

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It’s a personal choice and you may have answered your question with the reference to Atlanta traffic. Is this going to be a commuter vehicle during the week and a mountain climber on the weekends?


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I'm grateful for my manual trans in traffic. Gives me something to do, and helps keep me awake and on-task.


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One of the first days I had my Tercel last month, I got stuck in traffic badly. I was out of practice driving stick so I kept stalling and my foot hurt, it was miserable.

Since then I drive stick in traffic all the time as I live and work in Toronto. It's not as bad as people make it out to be and I drive on the highway and on the streets in rush hour all the time often wearing work boots.

If you're a good stick driver with no injuries that effect your ability to shift then it shouldn't bother you too much. It's an excuse people use because they are lazy and driving stick isn't fashionable.


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I'd get an automatic myself if it has the 6, if it has the 4, I'd get a stick. My wife would opt for a stick regardless, but she's a rare gal. Driving thru Atlanta to Florida sucks BTW.


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Having had one, if you get the 4, which is a good engine, get the 5 speed.


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As a die hard stick guy FOREVER ...

It hurts me to say get an automatic. Jeep Wranglers have a touchy clutch, painfully slow throttle response, and a sloppy shifter. They are, IMO, not a great manual tranny vehicle for daily driving.

Can't believe I just said that ... I have NEVER owned an automatic for my personal car. Ever.



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Originally Posted by geeman789
As a die hard stick guy FOREVER ...

It hurts me to say get an automatic. Jeep Wranglers have a touchy clutch, painfully slow throttle response, and a sloppy shifter. They are, IMO, not a great manual tranny vehicle for daily driving.

Can't believe I just said that ... I have NEVER owned an automatic for my personal car. Ever.



If I thought a manual vehicle were that bad, my answer would be to get a different manual vehicle. :]


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Re: Stick or Automatic [Re: maxdustington] #5300953 12/21/19 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
One of the first days I had my Tercel last month, I got stuck in traffic badly. I was out of practice driving stick so I kept stalling and my foot hurt, it was miserable.

Since then I drive stick in traffic all the time as I live and work in Toronto. It's not as bad as people make it out to be and I drive on the highway and on the streets in rush hour all the time often wearing work boots.

If you're a good stick driver with no injuries that effect your ability to shift then it shouldn't bother you too much. It's an excuse people use because they are lazy and driving stick isn't fashionable.


An automatic transmission is supposed to last the life of the car, a stick well you expect to replace the clutch at some point and that costs as much as the auto option. Drove a stick for 5 years. Don't miss it. At one point you might get some leg injury, I remember that happening a few times. Try shifting with a twisted ankle. Did it once, didn't really want to go above 2nd gear in the city. Now with 7 speed, 9 speed and CVT transmission, they don't even really save that much on gas either.

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Most of the vehicles I've owned over my 30+ years of driving have been manual. It's my preference and if you can drive one traffic is not an issue.


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That depends on you. For traffic and the occasional dirt road an automatic is ok. A manual is for more serious off roading.

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Also. The 05-06 jeep 4.0 eat camshafts. The 07+ auto trans needs more cooler. Those boil the fluid out of the dipstick tube on easy trails.


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Re: Stick or Automatic [Re: Wolf359] #5300965 12/21/19 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf359
An automatic transmission is supposed to last the life of the car

Well yeah. Because for most people, if the trans dies, that's when they consider the car dead...


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a stick well you expect to replace the clutch at some point and that costs as much as the auto option

Does it really? I don't see how. Labor costs are almost the same and parts are almost always WAY cheaper for a clutch job than for a whole trans.

...Unless the trans is used or cheaply rebuilt. But I'm sure we're not going there for obvious reasons.

Also, modern clutches last a LONG time unless horribly abused. I've routinely heard of clutches that have outlasted auto transmissions.

The real metric here is not "the life of the car" (whatever that means), but how long you're likely to own the car, combined with how much the repair would cost. All-in, I don't see a clutch as any more of a concern than an auto trans.


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We have owned 2 wranglers, 2014 and 2016 both with the 3.6 v6 and 6 speed manuals. The 14 was a Rubicon with i believe 4:11 gears. Shifted twice through the intersection but very easy to drive in stop and go. Just put it in gear and let out the clutch. Will hold 5-10 mph without clutching. 2016 had a little higher gear, had to clutch it a little more in traffic. Both were good shifters, a little clunky and jerky but perfect for a jeep. Do yourself a favor, if you can float it get a Rubicon with a manual and enjoy it. If your going to do alot of towing check the ratings. I believe the tow ratings are lower on the manual.

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Be aware that wranglers with the manual had a known issue where it would just pop out of gear, on many instances. I have a Jeep, and auto....manual was great when I was younger, but living in a big city took the fun right out of it, even now, the only manual I would get of it was a serious performance car....and unless you plan on doing heavy duty rock crawling or off roading...no need for a manual.

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